--- sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> --- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > snip
> > > 
> > > It's a different paradigm, Jim.  In other
> > > traditions,
> > > there is NOT the TM idea that thoughts in
> meditation
> > > are valuable and an indication that "something
> good
> > > is happening," and that stress is being
> released.
> > > 
> > > In fact, the paradigm is completely the
> opposite,
> > > that
> > > thoughts in meditation are an indication that
> the
> > > practitioner is simply being lazy, and has not
> > > learned
> > > to focus his or her attention.  In such a
> tradition,
> > > the more time spent in samadhi, the better.
> > 
> > On the first part of my TTC which was being run by
> Al
> > Burns (?) he mentioned, in another context, about
> MMY
> > "coming up with" his "theory" of stress release. I
> > remember feeling completly unsettled because I had
> > just assumed that MMY's explanation was some sort
> of
> > ancient explaination that was commonly understood
> by
> > all spiritual practioners. 
> 
> Does this invalidate either theory or practice or
> both?

No, not at all. But it revealed to me how much I was
seeking for intellectual certainty when apparently
there was none. I see it as our innocent, pure intent
for "enlightenment" (because we really don't know what
we are seeking for in waking state) that organizes our
spiritual path.



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