--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Jun 25, 2005, at 12:32 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > > I also find that some > > gentle attentiveness vs. allowing the mind to just mess around makes a > > big > > difference in terms of clarity and frequency of transcending. > > > > At Estes Park, M quoted the Vedas as saying, "Be easy to us with gentle > > effort." > > > > And indeed this very simple attentiveness--or mindfulness--is one of > the key antidotes to laxity and torpor. But of course this is not > taught as part of TM, it's sad Rick that this is buried in some old > tape and not integrated into practice. I don't know about you, but I've > met a good number of meditators who ended up being drained by such > torpor. Laxity is believed to be a intentional mental process where the > meditative object (in this case Self or mantra) is not perceived with > vividness. Once meditation reaches the "effortless" stage (where one > simply sits and can transcend for at least an hour at a time with no > breaks) this tends to disappear as delusion is dissolved.
I tend to agree with you about TM and torpor; this is part of why I quit the practice in 1982, the larger part being there was nowhere to "go" anymore. This latter understanding makes me wonder a bit about your statement about "transcending ... with no breaks." From where I stand now anyhow, the belief that one can "be" without thought is as absurd as the belief that one can "be" without silence. It seems more to me that the two are utterly the same, and any belief otherwise would be the result of being stunned by an apparent contrast in subtleties. Of course I may well be delusional. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
