To sum up Willy's wisdom today: There are no mantras used in TM. There are certain mantras used in TM. There are no multi-word mantras used in TM. There are certain multi-word mantras used in advanced TM. Now I'm so confused, I'm going to make up some BS about Buddhism.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Williams <willy...@...> wrote: > > > > ...there are no mantras used in TM practice > > > - we use only non-semantic tantric 'bija' > > > mantras. > > > > Bhairitu wrote: > > What about the advanced techniques? > > > You get only one 'bija' mantra with TM - in the > advanced techniques, just words or phrases, no > more bijas. For example, 'namah' is just a > Sanskrit word added for 'fertilizer' to water > the 'root' bija. In the 'Night Technique' advanced > technique, there are no bijas, words, or phrases, > just a short visulization. > > > That's not a bij mantra. When I talk about > > TM'ers being Saraswati worshipers, what exactly > > am I talking about? > > > The bija mantra for Saraswati is actually a > Tantric Buddhist bija for Tara. Apparently some > babas overheard this at a Buddhist yoga camp meet > and got it all mixed up with the Shakti, and it > then became all topsy turvey. > > > > If you insist on chanting 'Om Namah Shivaya' > > > then you're probably not practicing TM. > > > > > Yes because it was not taught as a part of TM > > (though may have been on some of the Primodial > > Sounds tapes). But it is just as valid if not > > a powerful or more powerful than using just a > > bij > mantra. The bij mantras or aksharas are > > used to enliven longer mantras. I think why > > MMY used them as first techniques (recommending > > the advanced technique to replace it after about > > a year and a half) because they don't take much > > to be lively and any idiot can initiate someone > > with them and get some results. Clever but again > > lacks the safety and balance that other programs > > have. > > > This all makes perfect sense - apparently you have > learned a lot from your Pilot Guru! > > But I'm not sure which 'programs' that have the > 'safety and balance' you're talking about. > > If any 'idiot' can use the TM bijas and get good > results, why would they want to drive all the way > to Oakland in order to get some more, longer, > nonsense syllables? Simple seems much better to me > - one short bija can get you all the way to > Nirvana and TM training that you can get in most > large cities. Go figure. > > > > If you wanted to, you could chant any number > > > of Sanskrit phrases, but why go to the bother > > > of memorizing Sanskrit phrases - you might just > > > as well use English for that purpose and repeat > > > 'I bow down to the old fakir'. There are no > > > 'magic' words in Sanskrit. > > > > > The vibratory influence. > > > That's really the question - exactly how is a > nonsense syllable 'enlivened' and made 'lively'? > > In a previous post I mentioned that the Swami > Muktananda most likely got his Shiva mantra by > reading a booklet. Apparently his teacher, > Nityananda, gave out no bijas or tantric techniques, > so how do you make a bija lively by reading it in > a book? > > If transcending is a mechanical process, all a person > would have to do is *be aware of being aware* - no > mantras, no bijas, and no guru - that's Adwaita. > > > English is frequently lacking in that. When I was > > learning Sanskrit some of the slokas would > > spontaneously invoke visions of ancient times > > which were sometimes a little disconcerting > > though cool. > > > So, it may be that some people don't need any 'fert' > at all - they were born enlightened. All they need > is an intellectual understanding of the concept of > non-duality and bingo, they have an awakening; they > are free and immortal on the spot. No striving is > then involved at all - just realization. >
