your conclusions are sound-- i also see Vaj's complaints against the "evil" Maharishi as just that, projections of his own shortcomings and failures. i posed the earlier statement to Vaj to see if he had anything to respond with. he doesn't.
and yet you bring up a valid point that when we aren't just slinging mud, myself included, that there is a legitimate avenue of inquiry to further define beyond the language of TM-speak what our actual experiences consist of. in my own practice, for example, i have found that real guru/God (dess) devotion has furthered my progress in a way that the basic knowledge i first gained from the TMO never could. this devotional learning and experience though, instead of being a contradiction of my earlier learning, has instead revealed a fullness and liveliness to the basic teaching that the Maharishi brought out, and completed an experiential understanding of enlightenment, that continues to grow, and grow and grow. and given the limitless experience of enlightenment, i don't see or concieve of any end in sight. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "emptybill" <emptyb...@...> wrote: > > In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: > > this seems to be your only message here, over and over and over and over > and over and over again Vaj. > > Empty Bill: > > > I'm puzzled why you might assume that Vaj's complaints must somehow be > rationally based objections. Any objective observer who has watched > Vaj's various claims and counter-claims should understand by now that he > is like a spurned spouse. With such a view, it is necessary for him to > see Maharishi as the embodiment of bad intention - therefore such titles > as "the salesman Maharishi" or the fake yogi known as Mahesh Varma. > Maharishi thus stands in for "the lies of this world" - internalized and > projected onto anything Maharishi said or did. This is an old story that > I have seen played out by former teachers who were screwed by the TMO, > although this doesn't actually include Vaj. > > > > So I ask you, have you ever spent time listening to the shrill > complaints of an ex-spouse? We can understand their sentiments yet in > the end there is nothing to know - just a deluge of vitriolic emotion. > "He/She is no good and I deserved better". > > > > The only real question for those of us who have listened to this over > and over is "Why is Vaj still on FFL?" > > > > 1. To prove that Maharishi fooled everyone. > 2. To counter Maharishi's influence by showing that there is > "real yoga" other than Maharishi's false yoga. > 3. Providing us hayseed meditators with real knowledge about > yoga, tantra and "high teachings". > 4. Demonstrating superior knowledge about subtle anatomy and the > "real path to enlightenment". > > > > However, there is just one problem for Vaj. There are a few people here > that have actually have some kind of training in various lineages of > Yoga, Jnana and Tantra. As a result, we need not catalog every claim of > his and then reply dutifully. In fact my conclusion over time is that > Vaj's desperate monologue is just a distraction, even for himself. > > > However, there are significant questions we could be asking about the > traditions of yogic practice that we follow for instance the > cultural axioms we bring to our practices. In many ways, as Westerners, > our own assumptions oppose the practice of guru devotion that founds the > traditions of Indian and Tibetan yoga. We could be looking for a wider > paradigm with which to view this conflict and Vaj could be part of the > work to clarify this. Unfortunately attachment only to our own personal > views obstructs this kind of unbiased inquiry. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: > > this seems to be your only message here, over and over and over and over > and over and over again Vaj. > > > so do you honestly think that the majority of people practicing TM > > have been duped into practicing a watered down half baked sort of > > meditation technique that really doesn't deliver as promised, and > > that all of us would be better off shrugging off our brainwashing > > and going with the Buddhist mindfulness techniques you espouse? > > > >this seems to be your only message here, over and over and over >and > over and over and over again Vaj. > > >
