--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" <raunchy...@...> wrote: > Maybe the Biblical God of the Old Testament is pro slavery and pro rape. I > wouldn't know.
Just read what is in the book, it isn't a very subtle point and is often repeated as well as his fondness for mass murders. < But IMO the wrathful God argument you made is a red herring you tossed my way to argue against my point.> Not a red herring, I was giving counter evidence to your claim that the 10 commandments covered rape within them. This interpretation is directly contradicted by the actions of their so-called auther. <I answered Sal within the narrow frame she presented. The Commandments, just taken at face value, prohibit violating the rights of others.> Ignoring the more complete context of the rest of the Bible is not a valid way to look at it IMO. Otherwise why spell out 10, just say "be nice." But there is a context of these commandments in the rest of the actions of this version of god that makes it very clear, he is not anti slavery or rape, he promotes it when convenient. (As well as God setting a bear upon 42 children just for teasing a prophet (2 Kings 2:23-24 Jesus summarized the Commandments in the Golden Rule: > > "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye > even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets." Matthew 7:12, King > James Version. > > "And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise." > Luke 6:31, King James Version. > > "...and don't do what you hate...", Gospel of Thomas 6. The Gospel of Thomas > is one of about 40 gospels that were widely accepted among early Christians, > but which never made it into the Christian Scriptures I am not a fan of the Golden rule as a guide for ethics either, it is too self-centered. If I do to a Muslim what I would do for myself I would cut off a nice hunk of the smoked pork shoulder I slow cooked for hours yesterday, put it on a bun with some fresh cole slaw and offend every religious bone in his body. What it should be is "Do unto others as they want you to do to them, with a bit of cultural sensitivity to the fact that everyone is NOT like you!" > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltablues@> > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" <raunchydog@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine <salsunshine@> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mar 15, 2009, at 6:25 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: > > > > > > > > > I think once you are discussing the perspective of the 10 > > > > > commandments you are assuming that. "Thou shalt not have other Gods > > > > > before thee" contains the assumption that this is an option. So I > > > > > don't believe that most Christians don't have a problem with this > > > > > since it is the first commandment. By the time they get to adultery > > > > > they seem to get more casual... > > > > > > > > Isn't it interesting that in the 10 Comms > > > > there's no commandment against rape? > > > > > > > > Sal > > > > > > > > > > It's just "interesting" or do you have an opinion about it? IMO rape is > > > included in the commandments against coveting, stealing and murder. > > > Coveting precedes rape: A rapist craves a woman to satisfy his desire. > > > Stealing: A rapist covets a woman then he takes her. A woman owns her > > > body. Taking a woman's body by force without her permission is > > > rape/stealing. > > > Murder: Rape is an act of violence intended to destroy a woman's right to > > > self-preservation. Rape often engenders permanent damage to the woman's > > > sense of well being, if not a murderous end to her life. > > > > God gives women to certain men in the Bible as slaves for a reward. The > > Biblical God is not only NOT insinuating an anti rape and slavery message > > in his 10 Commandments, he is explicitly PRO rape and slavery. You are > > reading much too much into the commandments which start with a self-serving > > no-compete clause worthy of a car dealership franchise. > > > > I am a fan of the Bible as important literature, but on the human rights > > scale it gets an F. > > > > Maybe the Biblical God of the Old Testament is pro slavery and pro rape. I > wouldn't know. But IMO the wrathful God argument you made is a red herring > you tossed my way to argue against my point. I answered Sal within the narrow > frame she presented. The Commandments, just taken at face value, prohibit > violating the rights of others. Jesus summarized the Commandments in the > Golden Rule: > > "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye > even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets." Matthew 7:12, King > James Version. > > "And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise." > Luke 6:31, King James Version. > > "...and don't do what you hate...", Gospel of Thomas 6. The Gospel of Thomas > is one of about 40 gospels that were widely accepted among early Christians, > but which never made it into the Christian Scriptures >
