On Mar 28, 2009, at 10:18 PM, raunchydog wrote:
--- In [email protected], Vaj <vajradh...@...> wrote:
Vaj, You haven't a clue about the practice of TM.
Intersting opinion but WRONG. :-)
Really, in terms of the technical description of how TM is
practiced
in the initial technique--it's not truly like 'any other
thought', as
one is enjoined to maintain mindfulness (or smriti to use the
actual
WRONG. No one is "enjoined to maintain mindfulness." That would
require effort. TM is effortless.
You weren't told to wait for the mantra? You don't remember to return
to the mantra when you're back in thoughts?
You need to get checked!
"Maintaining mindfulness" implies effort. It is not TM and is not
the same as coming back to the mantra as effortlessly as any other
thought.
That's why the Sanskrit word for "technique", prayatna, also means
"effort". The two are inseparably and inescapably interconnected. If
there is no smriti, you'd never re-engage the mantra.
PS: Any technique cannot, by definition, be effortless. This is a
common TM fallacy. All it indicates is you've been indoctrinated in a
untenable belief and you fell for it. MMY actually admitted at Estes
Park that TM is not "effortless". It's just a marketing spiel
parroted
by people who really aren't that familiar with meditation.
I never heard of such BS as you're pumping out here, today.
You should get out more and stop believing what everything everyone
tells you. It makes you look like a fool parroting nonsense.
Although it does sound like a good sales spiel, you obviously will
have a hard time as the truth about meditation becomes clearer to you.
All I can say is, you are not alone. This is part of what happens with
phony gurus who really make it up as they go along: sometimes they get
it right, but more often than not they just seed confusion in the
hearts and minds of their students.
My TM practice IS effortless and the hundreds of people I've checked
have had effortless meditation during checking.
Well no Raunch, let me stop you right there. You believed it was
effortless because you were conditioned to believe this and accepted
this conditioning. Now you're attached to that conditioning and you
protect it like a security blanket. You cannot see through the
illusions you've acquired. So you lash out when someone points out
your illusions. You're not the only one thrashing about with their
illusions here Raunch, this one's a hard one for TM folks, esp.
teachers who accepted teachings uncritically and then incorporated
them into who they thought they were.
Maharishi never said TM requires any effort other than effortlessly
picking up the mantra as effortlessly as any other thought. Do you
interpret this to mean Maharishi is ADMITTING TM requires effort?
You're way off base on that one, Buddy. Further, TM IS effortless
and just not a marketing spiel and yes, I am VERY familiar with
effortless meditation, everyday twice a day since 1972. Unless, you
have actually practiced TM, and it doesn't sound like you have,
you're just pontificating about something you don't know anything
about. I don't know what meditation you practice, but I'd be
surprised if you've ever had an effortless meditation a day in your
life.
It's pretty clear you really don't know what you're talking about. Ole
Mahesh promoted a number of lies about meditation in general and TM
specifically. I suspect you'd be in for a big surprise if you went to
India and tried to spout off your imagined "wisdom". Granted these are
very subtle distinctions, but meditation is a subtle practice. But the
distinction between method, prayatna-based meditation and true
effortless meditation represents a very important distinction between
dualistic forms of meditation and advaita, esp. in the Shankaracharya
tradition.
