--- In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> , TurquoiseB <no_re...@...> wrote: > > --- In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> , "sparaig" <LEnglish5@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> , TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> , "sparaig" <LEnglish5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> , TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > What is WRONG with "subtle or minimal effort?" > > > > > What is WRONG with TM being slightly intentional? > > > > > Is it WRONG because it conflicts with the sales > > > > > brochure? That's what it looks like to me. > > > > > > > > Actually, you've misread what I said as far as I can tell. > > > > > > > > And MMY's own words that I recall are "least effort in the > > > > direction of less effort." > > > > > > For the record, sparaig, I don't give a flying > > > fuck what "MMY's own words" were -- about this > > > or about anything else. > > > > > > I don't consider him an expert or authority > > > about much of ANYTHING, including TM. > > > > > > That's what you guys don't seem to understand > > > in this discussion. WE DON'T CARE how Maharishi > > > describes TM. We are providing our OWN descrip- > > > tions of TM, based on our own experience of > > > not only TM but a wide range of meditative > > > techniques, and not only the experience of > > > practicing them but of teaching them. > > > > > > I am quite comfortable with "least effort" > > > or "minimal effort" or even "almost nearly > > > effortless" to describe the process of coming > > > back to the mantra in TM. What I am not > > > comfortable with is "effortless." > > > > > > What Maharishi says based on HIS "analysis" > > > doesn't mean shit to me. > > > > > > What I'm talking about is what I say, based > > > upon MY analysis. > > > > > > You can use the word "effortless" if you want. > > > I cannot. It is not true, based on either > > > theory or my own experience. > > > > But it is true based on theory AND my own experience. > > > > That you don't see this as relevant in a discussion of whether or > > not you actually practice TM as taught by MMY is quite telling > > to say the least. > > Jesus, man...go take a fuckin' pill. > > I *DON'T* practice TM. I did once, and unlike > you I taught other people how to do it. > > Maharishi contradicted himself ALL THE TIME. > He was also WRONG, quite often. He also LIED, > not quite as often, but often enough that I > and others here have seen him do so. > > So what do I CARE how *he* describes TM? > > What's that got to do with ANYTHING? Just > because he said something, does that make it so? > > YOU are the one who is all hung up on there > being one and only one "correct" way to describe > TM. And frankly, because you will never find > your OWN descriptions of how it works for you > in the three days of checking, you're not exactly > any kind of expert here. :-) > > PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE get the point. > > I DON'T CARE about any of this. I was trying to > make a point to you as if you were a rational > human being, because you've been acting like one > for several months now. Silly me. Push your > "TM is not quite effortless" button and you're > back being compulsive. I want NO PART OF IT. > > > > Now go argue about this with someone who gives > > > a fuck. :-) > > > > > > > Obviously you give a fuck or you wouldn't be on this forum. > > I give a fuck only about the comparative discussion > of various forms of meditation and self discovery, > and about the weirdass things that people do while > pursuing those forms of meditation and self discovery. > > I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT TM.>>
I guess you don't give a shit about science either Turq. You want to take the human race back to the Dark Ages, without science. OffWorld
