--- In [email protected], "Robert" <babajii...@...> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <LEnglish5@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Duveyoung <no_reply@> wrote: > > > <snip> > > > > The best candidate for something truly effortless was > > > > when once the mantra was started "it repeated itself" > > > > without one feeling like one had had a hand in the > > > > continuing of the repetition. To me, this is merely > > > > "less effort, not effortlessness," and it masks that > > > > the "background intent" of the person to "do mantra," > > > > was obviously also "working," and was there to jump in > > > > when one noticed that the mantra had been lost, once > > > > again, amongst the "pandemonium" of the ordinary > > > > thinking process. Meditation is not simply taking > > > > the mantra, it is much more like tending a garden and > > > > knowing how to keep the weeds from growing next to > > > > the flowers. > > > > > > See, now, I don't agree with everything Edg says > > > here, but it would never occur to me to wonder > > > whether he'd ever done TM or understood what it > > > involved. He and I have somewhat different > > > experiences and somewhat different understandings > > > of the TM process, but we're both clearly *talking > > > about TM*. > > > > > > Vaj is not. > > > > > > > > > Well I object to the above description as well, because one can start to > > think the mantra without noticing and then cease to think the mantra without > > noticing and only be aware of passage of time by contrast with the outside > > world where the car that was passing is not any more, and yet you weren't > > asleep > > and didn't fall over or dream or whatever. > > > > Lots of edge cases. > > > > > > L. > > > This is what Maharishi characterized as 'no mantra, no thoughts', which was > an indication of transcending or pure consciousness. > With continued practice you will become aware that this state is outside of > time, and is experienced as the eternal, without time. > R.G. >
Poorhips. But identifying that as THAT is still a trap. L.
