--- In [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>  
> In a message dated 7/3/05 5:42:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> If it  doesn't, it's a testament to their own
> pettiness.  As I pointed out in  my previous post,
> any "scratch" received on a mission indicates  the
> soldier was exposed to extreme danger, and that if
> he escaped with  only a minor wound, he was just
> lucky.
> 
> Nobody--*nobody*--disagrees  that Swift Boat duty
> was as dangerous as it gets.
> 
> I can't begin to  express my contempt for anyone
> who doesn't respect that obvious  fact.
> 
> Especially when the lack of respect is  politically
> motivated.
> 
> 
> 
> Jstein, anybody that served in a combat zone was doing their  duty 
to their 
> country nothing more nothing less, which in and of it's self is  
admirable. The 
> bumps and scratches aches and pains come with the territory and  
are not 
> indicative of any great sacrifice. Hundreds of thousands of  
soldiers  through out 
> our history suffered far more   than John  Kerry with little more 
than a pat 
> on their back and a thank you, no ribbons no  medals.

Since World War I, if they were wounded, they
got a Purple Heart.

I note that you failed to address my point.

 It wasn't me that 
> politicized Kerry's military record , it was he! He  claimed to be 
the war hero.

I doubt you could find him quoted as saying he
was a war hero.

But *of course* he made a lot of his military
service.  In the context of the war on terror,
it was an essential qualification.  (And of
course that's why the Republicans were thrilled
with the Swift Vets, because they were attacking
one of Kerry's biggest advantages over Bush.)

 I 
> didn't put that title on him. He did! And he did  it for political 
gain! And 
> I'm sorry how you feel, but as I said ,when you're  running for the 
highest 
> office in the land and you make such claims, get ready.

Democrats didn't try to smear Bob Dole when he
was running on *his* military service record.

  John Kerry, the night he 
> accepted his nomination came out on stage and saluted  and 
said "I'm John 
> Kerry and I'm reporting for duty". John Kerry put on the  show  
about being a 
> military hero. He politicized it for Political gain.

So did Dole.  In fact, you'll find very few
politicians who have served in the military,
especally in combat, who don't emphasize it
when they run for office.

  Had he not offended tens of 
> thousands of Viet Nam Vets with his actions after he  left the 
war,  nobody 
> would have said anything about his medals or his  military career.

Exactly.  That's why they concocted the smear
campaign, to get back at him for opposing the
war in Vietnam after he left the service.  It
was never about his military record.  Too many
voters were either too young to know much about
Vietnam or who agreed with Kerry to make that 
the major case against him, so they dreamed up
a pack of lies about his service.

 He could have 
> gotten away buying medals. Kerry wanted people  to,look to his 
past , but 
> only a small particular part of his past, 4 months  spent on a 
swift boat. He 
> didn't want people to look at his past after those 4  months.

He's proud of his anti-Vietnam War activities.

 The knife he stuck 
> in the back of everybody else that served there

Whoops.  You got that *entirely* wrong.  If you
read his Senate testimony, you'll find he was
sticking the knife in the back of the U.S.
government to stop *it* from sticking a knife
in the back of the American troops who were
dying in Vietnam.

Kerry was *always* on the side of the soldiers,
*always*.  That's why he was against the war.

 his  association with the 
> Vietnam Veterans against the war, his cutting the  military budget 
every time he 
> had a chance to along with intelligence spending

This is not true either.  See:

http://factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=147

  showed Kerry was no friend 
> of the military and vets remembered what he  did.

*Some* vets seriously misinterpreted what he did.
Others were behind him all the way.

And the Swift Vets and their minions have lied
about it.

Kerry was no friend of the military-industrial
complex; he was the best friend the troops
ever had.

 Serving your country when it 
> calls you is a noble and admirable thing  and anybody that does it 
deserves a 
> measure of respect.  But should anybody try to capitalize on that 
service in 
> the realm of  politics  they better be squeaky clean.

Kerry *was* squeaky-clean.  It's the Swift Vets
and their supporters who have covered themselves
with filth.





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