--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradh...@...> wrote: <snip> > While honorifics like 'His Holiness' may be added out > of devotion to one's guru, in Mahesh's instance we > definitely know this was not the case.
We do? > It's important to distinguish between honorifics, like > 'His Holiness', and order or ordination names, titles > indicating attainment and titles indicating a certain > skill ("yogi"). "Maharishi" appears to be an honorific. It's certainly not an order or ordination name, nor one referring to lineage. It seems to be, as I suggested earlier, a title accorded by followers to "freelancers," teachers who have struck out on their own and delineated a new path. That's how Ramana Maharshi acquired the honorific, after all. > In Mahesh's instance, he had the problem of being in > the Shank. Order as an assistant and wanting to launch > himself into the guru biz. What's a non-twice-born Hindu > to do? After all he could not become a swami. You have > someone confer a title on you or you make up one > yourself. Usually the one conferring the title is the > guru. And we do know SBS never conferred any titles on > Mahesh. > > I guess the important here is if someone was dishonest > from the get go, what does that tell us? We still have the problem of Ramana Maharshi, though, don't we? Do you want to maintain he was dishonest?