--- In [email protected], Vaj <vajradh...@...> wrote:
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> It's pretty sad if people believe this kind of thing--
> and IMO very dangerous. TM/TMSP, TMO and McRishi tactics
> like this have killed a lot of people.

Tactics *like what*??? Exactly when did anybody die
because they were taught TM while they were sick and
receiving treatment in a hospital?

Nobody claimed she recovered miraculously because she
learned TM. She recovered because her cancer was
treated and she had surgery to repair the effects of
the radiation on her intestines. TM made her feel
better while she was recovering.

> I don't see it as that different from the same type
> of thing you see in Charismatic and Evangelical
> Christian trips. It's a placebo effect or sometimes
> these things just happen on their own.

*What* placebo effect?? From radiation and surgery?

> Believers find something to believe in. A mother
> reconciles with her daughter by allowing her to
> perform her woo woo ceremony...magic!...the healing
> power of Guru Dev's Holy ghost! Ta da!

What are you talking about? What reconciliation?

> That's not to say there are not meditation forms
> with legitimate research which shows a benefit in
> regards to pain--

And apparently in this case TM reduced her pain, or
made it easier for her to deal with. She may have
been asking for the pain medication because she was
as much scared as in pain, and the medication dulled
her fear and let her sleep.

  if you've seen Bill Moyer's
> Healing and the Mind, you know what I mean. But
> this is too anecdotal to have meaning, other than
> a warning sign saying "don't come here"...

Right. The very last thing you want to do is take
the risk that someone who's sick in the hospital
might feel better if they learned TM.

The reaction to Rick's post among the TM critics
here is absolutely insane.


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