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> --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> > --- In [email protected], anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB 
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> > wrote:
> > > > --- In [email protected], anonymousff 
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> > wrote:
> > > > > A related issue is, even if the use of SSRI's etc was 30%, 
> > > > > so what?  The implication, perhaps not intended by you, is 
> > > > > that this would be odd, crazy, an indication of social 
> > > > > decadence. Perhaps even a sign 
> > > > > of raging drugged out bliss ninnies, tranquillized zombies, 
> > > > > pervading society. 
> > > > 
> > > > I wouldn't have phrased it quite like that, but yes.
> > > 
> > > Just curious. Why is that? Do you believe SSRI's tranquilize
> people? Get them high? Make them "happy", oblivious to the ups and
> downs of the world?
> > 
> > A fair question.  Yes.
> > 
> > It's a subjective call, I grant you. 
> 
> But subjective for whom? For an outside observer (presumably like 
> you) who have a subjective view of what they think SSRI's do to 
> another's mental state? Or a direct subjective report of an SRRI 
> user on the effects on them -- their depression, anger, OCD or 
> general "rawness" casued by serotonin deficiency?
> 
> I assume you mean the former. Which has little relevance, IMO. Who
> cares what an (often uninformed) bystander "feels" an SRRI may do to
> someone who takes it.

Actually, Door #1 above and Door #3.  I saw so many 
people around me taking these drugs, and reporting
things that sounded like the blurb that the drug
company had written up about the ideal effect of
these drugs, that I grew curious.  Especially when
my perception from the vantage point of Door #1
indicated to me that the subjective things they
were reporting were not in line with how they acted.
For example, when I hear a person on SSRIs tell me
that he's never felt better, and then the next day
kick the shit out of a 70-year-old man because he
wouldn't run an errand for him, that triggers for
me a sense of cognitive dissonance.

Then, when such drugs were prescribed for two mem-
bers of my immediate family, I grew even more curious.
Curious enough to take a week or two of such drugs
myself, from their ever-growing stash of them, to
see what effect, if any, they seemed to have on me.
I didn't like the effect much.  There is no question
that I felt more comfortable in my environment; it's
just that I didn't *care* about my environment.  Or
anyone in it.  Or anything else.

Sorry, but you asked.  It really IS a subjective 
thing for me.  I think they're nasty drugs, from 
my own limited experience with them.

Plus, one of the members of my family died as, in
my opinion, a direct result of these drugs.  He
committed suicide shortly after they were prescribed
for him, and shortly after he'd begun talking about 
how much better they made him feel.  He was just one 
of those odd "anomalies" they talk about in the 
research.

I'm not certain this is a productive discussion.  You
are never going to convince me that these drugs are
a good thing, at least for the people for whom they
are being indiscriminately prescribed.  I am never
going to convince you otherwise, and honestly don't
seek to.  Why don't we just let it drop and each of
us believe what we want, eh?

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