--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" <yifux...@...> wrote: > > ---all good points, but the case hasn't been effectively advanced for the > benefits of Gnosis, Self-Knowledge; whether it be through TM, Eckart Tolle, > or some other non-dualist source. Does such Knowledge provide a "head of the > line pass" at long check-out lines? Does it cure diseases, help people get > jobs? >
Well, actually i do know someone doing an academic thesis on just that kind of spiritual thing. Forthcoming. The person noticed that there were these experiences too along with spiritual practices. Thus is gathering and measuring. JGD, -D ps, There is a lot of sympathy and compassion in the nature of the practice. Work your way up to an hour of quiet meditation at least. Sit with it. Things start to happen after about an hour. You have to practice it, as in do it. 'Sitting quietly doing something'. Called spiritual discipline in so many schools. I'm sorry you fell off the wagon somewhere back and missed out. Though can always come back to meditation, at any time. > > In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, guyfawkes91 <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, evidently the Hagelin, the TMmovement presently are in the middle > > > > of a larger cultural/spiritual revolution and these TM-haters are no > > > > better than counter-revolutionaries. You know what history does with > > > > counter-revolutionaries? Is something about a right to bare arms. > > > <snip> > > > These people are dangerous and should be dealt with directly. > > > > > > > > > > One of the dangers which people have to guard themselves against is > > > getting so attached to an ideology that they start to believe that > > > "unbelievers" should be "dealt with directly". History records that when > > > such ideas take over a group of people, e.g. communism, nazism, various > > > forms of religious zealotry then the end is disaster. Not only that but > > > the accumulated experience of the 20th century would make new entrants to > > > TM become incredibly wary of talk along the lines of "These people are > > > dangerous and should be dealt with directly." when referring to > > > dissidents. How many new TMers are going to get the hots for JH if he > > > starts giving speeches about "dealing directly with unbelievers". It > > > turns on the old faithful and turns off new entrants. > > > > > > The bare fact of the matter is that on its own TM is good and people > > > enjoy it and tell their friends. On its own it would spread very well. > > > There isn't really very much can be done by an opposition to prevent it > > > spreading. Except one thing.. They can work the believers into a frenzy > > > so that they start to see opposition, spies and saboteurs everywhere and > > > react with extreme paranoia and therefore make the organization repugnant > > > to alert people. > > > > > > On its own the business of teaching TM would flourish, but it has a > > > mostly parasitic "organization" living off of the basic business which > > > sucks the life out of it and drives intelligent people away. > > > > > > During WWII the allies considered assassinating Hitler, but decided > > > against it because he was such a terrible commander that it suited their > > > purposes to leave him in charge. If he were removed then generals who > > > knew what they were doing take over and make things much harder for the > > > allies. I think if people believe that the CIA, or other "agents" are > > > against the movement then they should consider that nothing the CIA or > > > the TM-Free blog or anyone else "against TM" could be as bad as Emanuel > > > Schiffgens in Berlin, or maintaining silly prices, or dressing people up > > > as fantasy kings. No one needs to do anything "against" TM while these > > > people are in charge, just leave them be and they'll fuck it up > > > themselves without external assistance. > > > > > > > Thanks Guyfawkes, these points are very well said & well taken. Good > > observations. > > Yeah, but; > > the science is pretty clear though if only half good. For everyone's > > benefit, `twould be really good to figure out how to reduce the number of > > non-meditators effectively. The non-meditators evidently are the problem, > > scientifically speaking. Teach more people to meditate, bring back > > meditators who have fallen away or whatever to reduce the number of > > non-meditators. > > > > The science seems genuine and urgent. Extreme measures evidently should be > > in order now for all community. I wish the TMmovement well and hope for > > the best. > > The time is now come to meditate collectively. The science is revealing > > and evident. As is the progressive nature of spiritual experience now more > > than ever. This knowledge is in the experience and the numbers meditating. > > I hope you are with us on this. > > > > JGD, > > -D in FF > > >
