--The Abbott also said, as I recall, that reincarnation was a belief 
of the early Christian's as well as many other deeper 
understandings, and teachings, that were brought into the Monastery, 
and not for the "Masses" as he put it. His name was Dom Thomas, from 
the Trappest Monastery, in Massachusetts..(sorry for the mispelling 
in the last post)...

- In [email protected], "Robert Gimbel" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I remember back in 1976, the Abbott of the Trappist Monestary in 
> Massechesets, visited what was MIU then, and offered some 
observations.
> He had been the Abbott there since 1945, and seemed quite serene 
and 
> balanced. He said that he had had deeper experiences in prayer by 
> using TM first, to get to a deeper state, and then pray from that 
> deepeer state. He did not see any problem with meditating and 
being a 
> Catholic, and the Abbott of the Monestary.
> He went on to say that some of the deeper, more escoteric 
teachings of 
> the church, had been removed during the reformation, as the 
leaders of 
> the church at that time felt threatened by people flocking to 
other 
> alternative religions, and so, the watering down, dogmatic 
process, 
> began, and that is what we have today. 
> Some people need that kind of dogma in their life; you seem the 
same 
> kind of thing in the military. No questioning, and the high value 
of 
> loyalty at all costs. 
> Also, it is well documented the many holocausts that have been 
created 
> in the name of religion, and the attitude that "our god is better, 
> than yours.
> Also, the idea that Jesus is some kind of a god misses the whole 
point 
> of his life.
> Jesus was foremost a teacher, but most interpretations, starting 
with 
> tthe Romans, tries to caste him in the role of God or Son of God, 
like 
> the Roman concept of Caesar, who also was condidered a god.
> In the middle ages the church persuted people for healing powers, 
and 
> the like, and many thousands were burned at the stake.
> The church has been the cause of many insanities.
> So, I could go on and on, but that's all for now... good nite to 
all.
> 
> In [email protected], Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week845/feature.html





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