Vaj writes;
On Oct 29, 2009, at 3:31 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: But we see it here all the time. Maharishi taught *strongly* that after enlightenment "the drop merges with the ocean" and there is no more relative existence, on any plane. But Bevan and others followed his death almost immediately with claims that Maharishi was in heaven, with all the gods. I'm sure that there are those in the TM movement who believe that they are in communication with him from beyond the grave. Vaj Asks: This might be a good opportunity to ask, since trance channeling among sidhas is well known, is anyone in the TM World channeling the Maharishi from the Great Beyond? If yes, how much for a reading? Doug any channelers you know of in FF offering MMY post mortem akashic services? Vaj, to answer your q., Going back in this particular thread, is a strong predeliction against it within TM. This was touched on in this previous thread. There is a teaching this way in the TM community. Going back to Guru Dev's. The warnings against the astral circus in that `trading a diamond for a lump of spinach' quote. Patanjali too. Then there are the culturally weak minded TM'ers who dabble off and go astray. The recent appearance of someone like Master John Douglas with people flocking to hear him also about spirits and guides as well as the spiritual healing he does. This last week he made proly close to $20k in a meeting with ru's off campus. That was one meeting. There were others with similar fees and $100 dollar CD's. Including closed meetings with people who did not want to be seen with him. He'll see TM higher up's again down in Boon, NC. On tour away from FF and MUM campus. Has always gone on in ways. For the TM-movement and a teaching, it is like herding cats. Perennial warnings. Before it was Maharishi who taught against it. Now will be noteworthy to see who has the stuff to speak against it with perspective. Or, will it just be a doctrinal response? He said Guru Dev, Patanjali said, Shankara said, Maharishi said, `Capture the fort ' Probably within the Dome attending community, if people are hearing voices and it is a problem, then they usually get rooted out with/for mental disturbance. Administratively referred to mental health people otherwise. That the way you'd see it on the ground here in FF. -D From http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/233091 Sunday, October 25th 7:00 PM Fairfield Arts & Convention Center/Expo Hall Fairfield, IA Level V Workshop - Sunday, October 25th - $200.00 http://www.spirit-repair.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/233383 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <dhamiltony...@...> wrote: > > > > > What is the difference? Are they different on a continum or > > > entirely > > > > different? This "overshadowing" or 'channeling'. > > > > > > > > Invoking disembodied beings one way or another, just different > > > > frequencies of praying or communication? Just wondering. > > > > > > > > -Doug in FF > > > > > > nablusoss1008 <no_reply@> > > >wrote: > > > > > > His Master is a yogi of high caliber, and may or may not be > > > disembodied. > > > > > > It is entirely different as it does not go against the free will > > of > > > the subject in any way.> > > > > <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > Interesting distinction, betwx willing and unwilling communication, > > > with the dis-incarnate? > > Willing and unwilling? Is there a point where "over-shadowing" can > become, 'possession'? Is that your distinction between, "over- > shadowing" and 'channeling' as on a continum where dabbling gets > beyond control as in, out of control: > "over-shadowing", "channeling", "possession"? > > > > Maybe Dr. Pete has clinical experience with this? > > > > Dr. David R. Hawkins talks about these things as parts of the > spiritualist 'astral circus', to be avoided by spiritual seekers. > Like with the stern warning in Patanjali and by Shankara. > > "When tempted by invisible beings in high places, let the yogi feel > neither allured nor flattered; for he is in danger of being caught > once more by ignorance" III-v52 Patanjali Yoga Sutras > (Prabhvananda translation). > > > The 'disembodied' is commented upon by Patanjali in Chapter 1 v-19 > and also commentary by Shankara. > > v-19 for instance, "This (Samadhi when not followed by extreme non- > atachment) becomes cause of the re-manifestation of the gods and of > those that become merged in nature." (Vivikananda) > > or "When such concentration is not accompanied by non-attachment, and > ignorance therefore remains, the aspirant will reach the state of the > disincarnate gods or become merged with the forces of Nature." > (-Prabhvananda) > > "The Yogi should not feel allured or flattered by the > >overtures > > > >of > > > > > celestial beings for fear of evil again." - III-v52 Patanjali > Yoga Sutras (Vivekananda translation) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" > > > > > <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > So, Ben Crème `channels' this? Is pretty heady. How does > it > > > > >jive, > > > > > > with that stern warning in the Yoga Sutras? Just > wondering. > > > > > > > > > > > > "The Yogi should not feel allured or flattered by the > > >overtures > > > > >of > > > > > > celestial beings for fear of evil again." - III-52 > Patanjali > > > > >Yoga > > > > > > Sutras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Maitreya, the World Teacher, has not come alone, but with > a > > > > >group > > > > > of > > > > > > wise Teachers who have long guided humanity from behind the > > > > >scenes. > > > > > > They are returning to the everyday world to help us solve > our > > > > >most > > > > > > critical global problems." http://www.shareintl.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is this type of alluring spiritualism on the rise in recent > > > > >times? > > > > > > Evidently there are several voices being heard by different > > > > > people. > > > > > > Just wondering. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Doug in FF > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 > <no_reply@> > > > > >wrote: > > > > > The process is called "overshadowing" - the result of long > > > training > > > > > in attunement to his Master. It has nothing to do with > > channeling. > > > > > > > > > > From what I understand 36 Masters are to be with Maitreya, 12 > > > have > > > > > already incarnated. The Master Jesus from Nazareth is one of > > > them. > > > > > Brahmananda Saraswathi is currently not in incarnation, > > >according > > > > >to > > > > > my information. > > > > > > > > > > Your quote from Patanjali is irrelevant in this context. > > > > > > > > > > > The quote is evidently relevant only in that it is a strong comment > and warning, from scripture. > > > om
