> 
> For Americans it always seems they cry and cry about their soldiers who
> signed up willingly for a dangerous job, but ignore all the hundreds of
> thousands of innocents killed as if these people being killed are not
> humans

yes, Americans are cry babies about a lot of things.  You are only hitting the 
tip of the iceburg there.  

Regarding deaths as a result of America, there is a lot of genocide that has 
been going on throughout the world in the last 10-20 years.  For whatever 
reason, it doesn't reach headlines.  Sudan, Rwanda, Burma, and several other 
places in Africa and southeast Asia have been intentionally wiping out entire 
villages in the same way the Soviets did in Afghanistan in the 80's.    

Once again, not trying to start an argument here.  Overall, you and I don't see 
things quite as differently as it seems.  I am all about withdrawing from the 
war now.  But it is only because I don't really see our forces really trying to 
win.  The only units that are really equipped to win the war in Afghanistan are 
Army green berets and Marsoc, but Marsoc to a lesser extent.  They have been 
working with local villages and building up the Afghanistan infrastructure, 
economy, and way of life.  This makes it impossible for Taliban to remain there 
or gain any trust of the local population, which is why they're all in Pakistan 
now.  

Now Obama wants to go into Pakistan, and I don't think he really knows what 
he's getting into.  It's going to be 'Operation Anoconda' all over 
again.....really ugly.  That place will be out of control, and American 
soldiers are already burnt out as it is.  Americans, much like the british in 
history, have always relied on conventional and technological advantage and 
don't do so well in UW (unconventional warfare).  The brits have lost 2 wars in 
Afghanistan, Alexander the great lost, and the Soviets lost also.  Genghis Khan 
had a successful battle once, but never really conquered the country.  Nobody 
ever has.  Moreover, the whole Afghan government is entirely corrupt.  I 
believe this war is unwinnable.  

Thanks for the history lesson.  I am well aware of the false pretense of 
American history.  In addition to the Revolutionary/Independance War, the Civil 
War has many conspiracy theories behind it as well.  I've read sources that 
claim Abraham Lincoln never cared about slavery so much as he cared about the 
United States becoming divided.  Marine Corps history that is taught in our 
boot camp is full of a lot of shit too.  I have a friend who plans to run for 
congress shortly after he retires from the military.  He has done quite a bit 
of research and has shown me sources to look up regarding the reality of past 
Marine Corps history.  Everything he's shown indicates that the Marine Corps 
has been living off of a false reputation for at least 3-4 decades, if not much 
longer.  (i'm not saying it's entirely false, but a lot of things are blown way 
out of proportion).

With the exception of a few minor conflicts and reaction to terrorism, I 
believe WWI and WWII were probably the only true honorable wars we fought in.  
However, there are even conspiracy theories out there that WWII could've been 
avoided as well.  I don't have time to get into them though.

peace out

seekliberation 

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