on 7/16/05 6:39 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> --- In [email protected], off_world_beings > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >>> --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> [...] >>>> I haven't even HEARD about the offspring thing before. >>>> >>>> Share! Share! >>. >>> >>> Oh Gawd here we go again with the unsubstantiated slanderous > made up >>> rumours. Why do you encourage this nonsense? >> >> It's called being sarcastic... >> >> One wonders if Ricks current guru would approve of him spreading > rumors >> about MMY...>> > > She would be horrified and disgusted.
Amma never criticizes other gurus by name, but she is outspoken about the principles she expects a guru to abide by. Here's something I found on another forum: Amma quote Someone posted the following on the Amma chat group and I¹m posting it here as it pertains to various recent and past threads here. "A true Spiritual Master is beyond the mind and the ego. In such a master, all the sexual energy has been converted into pure vital energy, which he or she uses for the ultimate good of the world...All desires exist in the mind. Once the mind is dissolved, there can be no question of having any desires. In that state no desire remains. The so-called gurus who exploit their disciples--sexually or otherwise, or who try to force their ideas on people are not true masters--far from it! They are still strongly identified with their minds and desires..." "A true master, even though he or she is beyond all laws and limitations, must strictly adhere to moral and ethical codes." "...A number of the Westerners she had healed had suffered from betrayal by spiritual leaders who abused them financially, sexually or emotionally. Spiritual betrayal is one of the deepest wounds that one can inflict on another, and one of the hardest to heal. Amma says that many have lost their faith in spiritual masters and spirituality because of these incidents. But she has counseled those so wounded not to lose faith or give up hope--that the energy they devoted to their spiritual practice, even under a false master, was not wasted. She says: "The power you have acquired through your spiritual practices is still there, because...what you have gained through your own efforts cannot be lost. Only being in the presence of a Self- Realized master can heal the deep wounds of the heart, which have been caused by a false guru or spiritual teacher." "A person so healed of spiritual betrayal will receive the necessary strength to prevent them from ever being hurt again, because they will no longer be vulnerable to those psychological wounds. Sincere seekers who have the mental strength, courage and spiritual understanding to overcome their initial shock and disappointment, realize that they made an unfortunate mistake in trusting a false teacher. The genuine seeker will immediately leave the false teacher and search for a perfect master who can lead him or her to the goal of God-Realization. Such a seeker will certainly find a real master. The master will appear in his or her life, without them having to wander about looking for a teacher. This will happen because of the disciple's sincerity amd intense longing..." Here, without naming names, Amma has clearly described the false teacher and what they do, and the effects of what they do, and her healing function in these cases, in recognizable terms. Most seekers, at least in the West, have either been betrayed by one or more of the many such false spiritual teachers, with cults of enthusiastic followers, who exhibit certain siddhis along with binding spiritual experiences, or are otherwise aware of those who have experienced such betrayal, and who are therefore rightly sensitive to any hint of scandal by so-called enlightened gurus. Most experienced people by now are aware that spiritual experiences are not proof of enlightenment; that enthusiastic devotees talking about how great the experiences are, describing unverifiable "proofs", and with elaborate rationalizations, can be found in many cults; that sometime gurus have "secrets"; and that organizational problems can exist even around 'real' Gurus. To not discuss the information needed to address concerns promptly and directly, or to not recognize possible cultic tendencies of avoidance simply because Amma is 'real', is insufficient, IMO. Many outside this group value Amma while remaining vigilant about cultic aspects in the organization. And, I know of an extreme case, discussed on another forum, where someone became disillusioned during Devi Bhava because of the crowd control practices despite a sense of the benign presence. Others may come, take a look at all the goods being sold, and at Amma driving up in an expensive vehicle, have no knowledge of the finances and if they are used as advertised, and have reasonable concerns because there are classic cultic appearances in public gatherings. If charges are made and the correct information is not rapidly available to respond, many people will draw inferrences from their own past experiences, valid or not. "Only being in the presence of a Self-Realized master can heal the deep wounds of the heart, which have been caused by a false guru or spiritual teacher." I believe doing what serves facilitating those so previously harmed to be in Amma's presence to be healed by recognizing when to simply tell the truth about Amma in response to these allegations s appropriate service. But to do this, the full truth must be discussed and known, and any problems resolved to the best of the collective ability. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
