I think this question about women in the Movement is very interesting - after all, a similar issue is about to split the Church of England! Women in Catholicism & Islam also have an uphill struggle for recognition against ossified culturally-determined "traditions". And yet "physiologically" the critical issue (for TMO)in terms of spirituality, is the "consciousness-supporting" physiology, not "sexual reproduction", which rests at a very superficial level of reality. Even in terms of brain functioning, female brains are different, but actually are less "thing" and "action" dominated, as with males, and more "person" and "feeling" orientaded - so if anything, more "holistic" in character. Nothing here to suggest that female spirituality would be any the less "real", "substantial" etc. Personally, I have two daughters who are "gold standards" of spirituality, as far as I am concerned. It is amazing that one of the motivating factors for suicide bombers, it seems, is the prospect of enjoying 70-odd virgins in Paradise. What a crap Paradise this is - what if the virgins don't want this sexual encounter to happen? What value is sexual satisfaction compared to the subline encounter with the transcendent? Ingegerd I am your supporter in this!
--- In [email protected], "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As a woman, I think the attitude that MMY and his TMO have towards > women, is dangerous, for women. For us, in the West, that have fought > for womens rights and is still fighting, it is like stepping back > centuries. Like we welcome the Taliban regime. Not in Burka, but in > Saris. It is incredible that women from different countries don't > wear dresses from their own countries, but all dress in Saris in > Mother Divine - and International Courses and so on. It is like an > uniform. In the Good Old Days MMY used to speak about variety, and > how valuable variety is, to keep the Culture in our own Country. To > value the Culture that we have in our own Countries. Because the > Natural Laws worked different in different countries. If you look at > the pictures from Global County, the variety is gone. > To really challenge the TMO. In the 60ths and 70ths, it was both men > and women running the TMO around the world, with success. Now it is > only men... > When I was initiating in The Soviet-Union some years ago, I was > working with Brahmans. When they met me, they had long serious > discussions about how to treat me, because I was from the West,I was > a woman and I was unmarried. Should they treat me as a Whore or > Madonna, because we were supposed to held courses together. I had all > the odds against me. At last they decided - Madonna. So I lived with > those guys at their premises, watching my step every hour in 6 > months, happy to know that this was only a temporary situation. Now, > it seems that MMY and the TMO is making a lasting situation with the > women in the background, very humble and silent - it is just terrible. > Ingegerd > > > --- In [email protected], "L B Shriver" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], off_world_beings > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > <<(I'm kind of surprised nobody has talked about > > > > this, not even the smattering of women here. > > > > I didn't start thinking about it until just > > > > recently. The only mention of the nonexistent > > > > participation of women was when we noted the > > > > original "Raja So-and-So and Wife" titles on > > > > the photos of the couples, and the subsequent > > > > removal even of this reference to the women.>>> > > > > > > > > Everyone here is very blasie about this now, and it has been > posted > > > > before. > > > > > > Naw, I've been reading all the traffic here > > > from the beginning of the whole Raja thing, > > > and I haven't seen a word except the comments > > > about the wives not being named in the photos. > > > > > > I'm not even talking about the *political* > > > aspects; we've known about the TMO's, and > > > MMY's, sexism for decades. I'm talking about > > > the practical effect of the absence of the > > > feminine vibe among the Rajas in terms of > > > whatever effect *they're* supposed to have on > > > world consciousness. > > > > ****** > > > > Your observations and question seem perfectly reasonable to me. I > think the crux of the > > answer lies in your own words: "Â…whatever effect they're supposed > to have on world > > consciousness". > > > > Personally, I think there's not much to worry about in terms of the > movement's effects on > > world consciousness, because I don't see it having much of an > effect at this point. > > > > [Not a trick question:] Do you see the movement having any > significant effect on world > > consciousness at the moment? If not at this time, when was the last > point at which you felt > > you could observe something of significance? > > > > L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
