right...it's all vile; the Movement will self-destruct since there's almost nothing worth saving. But I still like TM. That will survive;...and I still like Jerry inspite of his drinking the Kool Aid. Go ahead...call him. I dare you. If so, get back with the outcome.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <no_re...@...> wrote: > > > yifuxero > > I didn't chicken out; I saw that I would get nowhere and saved myself the > shame of trying to get an old dog to admit to his tricks knowing full well > that that simply wouldn't happen. > > Do you actually want me to call him and have at him with the dark vibe he > deserves for being a part of such a low integrity organization and his > continuing support of it? I will, but you'll warn him to not pick up the > phone, right? He could've answered me...."doesn't do email" -- what a > fucking lame assed excuse. > > It's not my job to prove him wrong, but it sure is his job to prove himself a > person of integrity by at least admitting that the issues that he's so > ignored for 30 fucking years actually matter and should be handled. This > isn't about appeasing me, it's about answering to whole generations of the > faithful about the vile shit the movement has hidden at any cost from us. > > And, and, and now only now he's coming back at us? Fuck that shit! > > Give him a crown and a robe and let him join the power mongers openly instead > of letting himself be schlepped around by the movement in some desperate and > obvious ploy to re-ignite a market they killed long long ago. > > By resorting to the using of a favorite puppet of Maharishi they've found at > the back of the closet and dusted off for us, what more proof do we need of > the cynical approach the TMO is taking to their tottering and shaky > about-to-be-most-sincerely-dead movement? > > I'm fucking pissed -- I had a wonderful movement, and a wonderful guru, and > it was all a sham for money and I was a complete fool. Pissed at myself, > firstly, yes, but only a titch less pissed at the TMO and Jerry too. > > Let's see Jerry start his lectures with explaining all the hijinks and the > actual cash flows to Girish and how he can turn a blind eye to the immorality > of B and H as they maraud the marriages. > > And you, yifuxero, explain yourself for why you're trying to protect this old > codger. Doesn't seem like the 5 - 8 years concepts fulfilled itself for you, > or are you able to hover and I missed that somehow? > > And who the fuck lives in St. Paul that he has to go up there instead of the > ONE PLACE IN THE ENTIRE WORLD WHERE HE'S GOT A BUILT-IN AUDIENCE? Even > Charlie did lectures in Iowa City. Seems either stupid or cowardly and > probably is both. > > Same deal with Mother Divine and Purusha not being in FF -- it's fucking > classism and a lording over the faithful to snub the one town that made their > lifestyle possible. > > Edg > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" <yifuxero@> wrote: > > > > right....but he rarely answers by mail. (re: the letter you sent to him). > > He offered you to call him on the phone but you chickened out. But don't > > get me wrong, that's not a criticism of you. He can be a fast talker, very > > persuasive but duped by some of the TM-related fantasies; and tends to > > comandeer the conversation. Then, coupled with a huge amount of Shakti, > > the chance that the type of dynamic and (sometimes) constructive dialog > > that takes place on this Forum will occur is unlikely. > > However, such pov's are consistent with the latest research into what > > people think may or should be reasonable arguments. The fact is, > > established pov's backed by emotional investments will almost always trump > > pure reason. > > As a typical example, try "reasoning" with a Mormon TB. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > Rick, > > > > > > Times may be achanging, but remember that Jerry never answered the > > > questions I sent to him. These guys'll use ya, but they're not going to > > > be guided by you, methinks. Those with power are like those with money -- > > > they think they and only they are the proper custodians of their "stuff." > > > > > > > > > Lately I think of the movement like I think about the marijuana debate. > > > TM shouldn't be regulated so that higher-ups can still have their > > > positions of power. TM, as if, should be "decriminalized -- not > > > legalized." > > > > > > Tell "dem bums" to free up the whole thing. Let anyone into the domes, > > > let L.B. talk on campus, let protestors march, etc. > > > > > > But most of all, stop pretending that TM was/is "proved" or "scientific" > > > or "guaranteed to produce enlightenment." These "pretty much 100% > > > incorrect" assertions are the reason 99.99% of all of us stopped TM or at > > > least stopped thinking the movement had leaders with any integrity. > > > > > > And, Rick, rub their noses in that latest book about Maharishi's sex life > > > -- there's a litmus test of sorts. If they're still willing to use any > > > form of coercion on you to change the subject of the conversation or be > > > haughty and pissed, then there's your tell. > > > > > > Then ask about their own private lives and how obviously that modeling is > > > odious and deserves to be addressed in public. If morality is not > > > improved by TM -- obviously it isn't -- then they should be willing to > > > say that in public and admit that they are not paragons of any virtue > > > gained by using TM. > > > > > > And say something like this: "Mr. Gorbachev tear down this course > > > office." > > > > > > Edg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <rick@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I have a letter percolating in the back of my brain which I would send > > > > to > > > > Jerry, Bobby Roth, Keith Wallace, and John Hagelin, addressing ways in > > > > which > > > > the movement might be transformed and resuscitated, if conservative > > > > forces > > > > within it would allow. If I write it, I'll post it here and we can all > > > > hash > > > > it out together before I send it. > > > > > > > > > >
