Wanna bet I never get a decent straight answer out of him? And who could grill this old fart successfully? No one....cuz he's practiced every answer -- just as we had our answers for first lectures all prepared.
He's an old man. He's taken a stance, and he's not going to budge out of it for the likes of me. There's zero profit in the scenario for any party -- what do I get?....a merit badge for yelling at someone? Hell, even here when I put up the list and asked for suggestions, there was almost a group yawn. And now what, you want me to beat on an old guy so that I, what?, tarnish my already rusted through image here? I viewed his recent videos and there's just not a hint of him being willing to take a step back or explain his part in the whole fiasco. I loved the guy, but he can't simply walk back into the movement spotlight without some 'splainin' to do. No movement leader has ever not once not one god damned time stood up and spoke the real truth to any of us. Who here thinks I should put on my best bastard hat and wail on beloved old Jerry? As much as I'd love the true answers to my questions, for me to expect them "for free" when the cost to the TMO and presumably Jerry's reputation is so large to "cede that ground," would be like me walking into an already swung fist. Creating the list was good work for me though...got me clear about the couple dozen issues that were begging for my attention, and almost any of them, if I had answered them truthfully way back when, should have had me leaving the movement on the spot, but noooooooo, I had to cut the movement break after break after break.... So, um no Jerry, you don't knock on my door and ask for another one. Again, St. Paul? -- come to Fairfield, do an open lecture and take questions -- anything less is cowardly and manipulative and certainly a tell that no real interaction or exchange is being offered. Do this in Fairfield, and I drive the six hours to attend. Even on the basis of him saying he's enlightened, we deserve to ask him why the fuck his "holy" voice was muted so ruthlessly and yet he never cosmically even did a double take enough to hang in there for our sakes and fight the good fight against his ouster. And, he didn't do the siddhi program, right? Yet here he's being trotted out to do what? Sell us mercury laced medicine? Promise we're all "so close to enlightenment now?" Jerry, I didn't ask, cuz you wouldn't tell. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" <yifux...@...> wrote: > > right...it's all vile; the Movement will self-destruct since there's almost > nothing worth saving. But I still like TM. That will survive;...and I still > like Jerry inspite of his drinking the Kool Aid. > Go ahead...call him. I dare you. If so, get back with the outcome. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > yifuxero > > > > I didn't chicken out; I saw that I would get nowhere and saved myself the > > shame of trying to get an old dog to admit to his tricks knowing full well > > that that simply wouldn't happen. > > > > Do you actually want me to call him and have at him with the dark vibe he > > deserves for being a part of such a low integrity organization and his > > continuing support of it? I will, but you'll warn him to not pick up the > > phone, right? He could've answered me...."doesn't do email" -- what a > > fucking lame assed excuse. > > > > It's not my job to prove him wrong, but it sure is his job to prove himself > > a person of integrity by at least admitting that the issues that he's so > > ignored for 30 fucking years actually matter and should be handled. This > > isn't about appeasing me, it's about answering to whole generations of the > > faithful about the vile shit the movement has hidden at any cost from us. > > > > And, and, and now only now he's coming back at us? Fuck that shit! > > > > Give him a crown and a robe and let him join the power mongers openly > > instead of letting himself be schlepped around by the movement in some > > desperate and obvious ploy to re-ignite a market they killed long long ago. > > > > By resorting to the using of a favorite puppet of Maharishi they've found > > at the back of the closet and dusted off for us, what more proof do we need > > of the cynical approach the TMO is taking to their tottering and shaky > > about-to-be-most-sincerely-dead movement? > > > > I'm fucking pissed -- I had a wonderful movement, and a wonderful guru, and > > it was all a sham for money and I was a complete fool. Pissed at myself, > > firstly, yes, but only a titch less pissed at the TMO and Jerry too. > > > > Let's see Jerry start his lectures with explaining all the hijinks and the > > actual cash flows to Girish and how he can turn a blind eye to the > > immorality of B and H as they maraud the marriages. > > > > And you, yifuxero, explain yourself for why you're trying to protect this > > old codger. Doesn't seem like the 5 - 8 years concepts fulfilled itself > > for you, or are you able to hover and I missed that somehow? > > > > And who the fuck lives in St. Paul that he has to go up there instead of > > the ONE PLACE IN THE ENTIRE WORLD WHERE HE'S GOT A BUILT-IN AUDIENCE? Even > > Charlie did lectures in Iowa City. Seems either stupid or cowardly and > > probably is both. > > > > Same deal with Mother Divine and Purusha not being in FF -- it's fucking > > classism and a lording over the faithful to snub the one town that made > > their lifestyle possible. > > > > Edg > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "yifuxero" <yifuxero@> wrote: > > > > > > right....but he rarely answers by mail. (re: the letter you sent to him). > > > He offered you to call him on the phone but you chickened out. But don't > > > get me wrong, that's not a criticism of you. He can be a fast talker, > > > very persuasive but duped by some of the TM-related fantasies; and tends > > > to comandeer the conversation. Then, coupled with a huge amount of > > > Shakti, the chance that the type of dynamic and (sometimes) constructive > > > dialog that takes place on this Forum will occur is unlikely. > > > However, such pov's are consistent with the latest research into what > > > people think may or should be reasonable arguments. The fact is, > > > established pov's backed by emotional investments will almost always > > > trump pure reason. > > > As a typical example, try "reasoning" with a Mormon TB. > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Rick, > > > > > > > > Times may be achanging, but remember that Jerry never answered the > > > > questions I sent to him. These guys'll use ya, but they're not going > > > > to be guided by you, methinks. Those with power are like those with > > > > money -- they think they and only they are the proper custodians of > > > > their "stuff." > > > > > > > > Lately I think of the movement like I think about the marijuana debate. > > > > TM shouldn't be regulated so that higher-ups can still have their > > > > positions of power. TM, as if, should be "decriminalized -- not > > > > legalized." > > > > > > > > Tell "dem bums" to free up the whole thing. Let anyone into the domes, > > > > let L.B. talk on campus, let protestors march, etc. > > > > > > > > But most of all, stop pretending that TM was/is "proved" or > > > > "scientific" or "guaranteed to produce enlightenment." These "pretty > > > > much 100% incorrect" assertions are the reason 99.99% of all of us > > > > stopped TM or at least stopped thinking the movement had leaders with > > > > any integrity. > > > > > > > > And, Rick, rub their noses in that latest book about Maharishi's sex > > > > life -- there's a litmus test of sorts. If they're still willing to > > > > use any form of coercion on you to change the subject of the > > > > conversation or be haughty and pissed, then there's your tell. > > > > > > > > Then ask about their own private lives and how obviously that modeling > > > > is odious and deserves to be addressed in public. If morality is not > > > > improved by TM -- obviously it isn't -- then they should be willing to > > > > say that in public and admit that they are not paragons of any virtue > > > > gained by using TM. > > > > > > > > And say something like this: "Mr. Gorbachev tear down this course > > > > office." > > > > > > > > Edg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Rick Archer" <rick@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I have a letter percolating in the back of my brain which I would > > > > > send to > > > > > Jerry, Bobby Roth, Keith Wallace, and John Hagelin, addressing ways > > > > > in which > > > > > the movement might be transformed and resuscitated, if conservative > > > > > forces > > > > > within it would allow. If I write it, I'll post it here and we can > > > > > all hash > > > > > it out together before I send it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
