--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradh...@...> wrote: <snip> > If these allegedly advanced TMers aren't also lucid dreaming, it > doesn't sound like they've actually developed a real witness- > consciousness.
Vaj might want to read a paper by Gackenbach, a leading lucidity researcher (cited frequently in the O-J paper), on the experience of lucid dreaming among TMers and its relationship to witnessing: http://www.sawka.com/spiritwatch/fromlucid.htm He also might wish to review the O-J paper itself. Quote from the first paragraph: "...There exists [sic] discussions of developmental models of consciousness that include lucid dreaming, witnessing waking, witnessing dreaming and witnessing deep sleep that have previously been presented (Alexander et al., 1985; Alexander, 1988; Alexander et al., 1990; Alexander and Langer, 1990; Gackenbach, 1991; Travis, 1994; Mason, 1995; Mason et al., 1997; Travis, 2005). The authors discuss the possibility of a continuum of experiences that includes lucid dreaming, witnessing dreaming and witnessing deep sleep and their relationship to so-called higher states of consciousness...." So contrary to Vaj's assertions, the TM researchers do indeed include lucid dreaming in their model of consciousness; and TMers do indeed report having lucid dreams.
