--- In [email protected], Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> TurquoiseB wrote:
> 
> >--- In [email protected], Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>But you haven't practice a real tantric sadhana, have you?  
> >
> >Sure I have, in the past.  Mantras, yantras, formal 
> >practices, direct transmission from the guru, the 
> >whole bit.  But that was then, this is now.
> >
> And your tradition was?

Gawd, a lineage freak.  Spare me.  We get enough
of that shit in Buddhism.  :-)
 
> >>What you 
> >>describe is like that old tale of blind men trying to describe an 
> >>elephant.  It is like trying to describe the taste of a mango without 
> >>eating one.   
> >
> >With all due respect, you have a bit of a 'tude about
> >people not having experienced the same things you
> >have.  It comes up a lot, how special your teacher and
> >teaching is and how people don't really get to exper-
> >ience this stuff unless they pay their dues in a *real*
> >tradition like...uh...yours.  
> >
> I disagree as anyone I have talked to who has had tantric training (and 
> not necessarily from my guru or tradition) has said the same thing.  It 
> is not about me but there are some simple ways to know whether a person 
> actually learned tantra or was sold a "hodgepodge" as my guru likes to 
> put it. :)
> 
> There are other traditions out there.  All I can do is speak for mine.

And you're going to start exactly when?  :-)

> >But it isn't true.  True Tantra is *not* just taught in 
> >formal, traditional settings and according to the "rules"
> >that were taught to you.  Tantra comes in 31 flavors,
> >just like Baskin-Robbins ice cream.
> >
> >In other words, you might want to look into this assump-
> >tion you have that people who haven't practiced what 
> >*you* think of as Tantra haven't practiced Tantra.  To me
> >it smacks suspiciouly of the olde "we practice TM so we're 
> >the best and everybody else is lesser" rap transposed
> >onto a new guru and organization.
> >
> But what I am seeing is too broad a definition of tantra which fits 
> about anything.  And that just isn't right.  The next thing you'll be 
> saying eating at McDonalds is tantra. :)

Of course it is.







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