--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > Exactly. And why it is not productive to pursue this conversation. > > > Shemp isn't interested in "proof." He's interested in making sure > > > that none of his boundaries are disturbed. > > > > I see it rather that Shemp wants to find proof of something that > > many such as yourself have claimed to have seen. Then he > > can 'legitimately' break the boundary to such an experience in his > > mind. > > 'Legitimately' is good. That's the issue, which you nail > in the next paragraph. > > > So the mistake is not in his attempting to nail down the proof, but > > in believing that the solution to breaking the boundary comes from > > outside himself, rather than within himself. > > That's it exactly. There comes a point when no one can > no longer rely on 'outside' 'evidence' as being more accur- > ate than one's own experience. > > > Ergo, it matters not a whit of a whit whether or not you actually > > witnessed somebody levitating. Maybe you did, and maybe you didn't. > > Doesn't matter. (Although it mattered to you at the time, and was > > significant you say in breaking a boundary for you.) > > It really *doesn't* matter to me whether a videocamera > would have recorded the levitation and other phenomena > I saw Rama manifest. The boundary for me, as you put it > well, was broken the minute I realized that I trusted my own > experience more than I would trust the videotape. > > It happened. The man levitated. Or disappeared. Or did > one of the many other odd things he could do. And all of > those things really happened, as far as I can tell. *How* > they happened doesn't interest me as much as the simple > fact that they happened. Personally, intellectually, my > experience convinces me that some siddhis do not actually > manifest on a gross physical level. That is, they are really > happening, but on a more subtle plane or dimension. To > perform the siddhi, you have to move into that dimension. > To witness the siddhi, you *also* have to move into that > dimension. It's something I cannot express properly in > words, and it's *certainly* something I can ever convince > anyone of, even if I wanted to. > > Bottom line was that it was a great deal of *fun* to see > such phenomena, and to sit in the energy field that > surrounds them. People can believe whatever they > want, based on whatever 'proof' they consider valid. > I'll stand on my own experience. > > Unc
Yep, I know what you mean. I wonder though if levitation can occur on 'a gross physical level'? I suspect yes, though it is not terribly important for me to find out right now. Yogananda wrote about it in his Auto of a Yog book, and that is good enough for me; that book has the ring of truth to it when I read it. The intradimensional experiences though are fascinating in their own right, and equally mind blowing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
