--- In [email protected], Peter Sutphen 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> --- shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> snip
> 
> > 
> > I actually visited the site and downloaded the book.
> >  I then did a 
> > word search on "levitate" and nine references to it
> > came up.
> > 
> > After a cursory reading of several of the
> > testimonials, I have 
> > concluded that you were the victim of a cult, Unc,
> > and that you were 
> > both brainwashed and hypnotized.
> > 
> > You did NOT witness actual levitation.  You
> > witnessed a delusion of 
> > levitation.
> 
> Okay. You are of this opinion. I don't understand all
> this anger towards Unc.


Let him say: "I witnessed what appeared to me to be levitation", 
not 'I witnessed REAL levitation'.

I don't like being bullshitted.



> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > You aren't interested in what really happened,
> > only in
> > > what you want to believe happened.  So believe
> > that.
> > > Believe what you want.  Whatever you believe, it
> > doesn't
> > > affect me in any way.
> > > 
> > > Look for proof on your own time.  I am content
> > with my
> > > personal experience.
> > > 
> > > Unc
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- In [email protected],
> > "shempmcgurk" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > --- In [email protected],
> > "shempmcgurk" 
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Unc, I am going to snip out what I believe
> > to be the 
> > irrelevant 
> > > > > > parts of your response and leave in the
> > parts I want to 
> > address.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > You wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Did you experience it only once?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Nope.  Many times.  As did most of the
> > other students who 
> > > > > > > studied with the guy.  I will also
> > emphasise, for the 
> > record, 
> > > > the
> > > > > > > word "most."  Some people (10-15) never
> > saw anything;
> > > > > > > others (1000s over the years, sometimes
> > 500 at once) saw
> > > > > > > this stuff all the time.  Therefore, it
> > would appear to be 
> > a 
> > > > > > > phenomenon that is not entirely physical,
> > and takes place
> > > > > > > at least to some extent on subtle physical
> > levels.  If 
> > you're
> > > > > > > asking whether it was ever recorded on
> > film, I don't think
> > > > > > > so, and I don't know whether it could have
> > been.  But it 
> > was
> > > > > > > neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and
> > as a field of
> > > > > > > energy to be part of.  The latter was the
> > real benefit of 
> > > > > > > being around someone who is doing this,
> > IMO.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > [snip]
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Because some people saw this phenomenon
> > and others
> > > > > > > in the same room did not, I have my doubts
> > that it would
> > > > > > > have been captured on videotape.
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > [snip]
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I will also admit, for the same reasons,
> > that there might 
> > have
> > > > > > > been some kind of psychic siddhi going on,
> > in which 
> > people's
> > > > > > > perceptions were altered to allow them to
> > see a phenomenon
> > > > > > > that might not have been present on a
> > physical level.  But 
> > > > > > > there was never any suggestion of what was
> > about to happen.
> > > > > > > The most he'd ever say was, "Watch."  He
> > never said *what*
> > > > > > > to watch for, and levitation was only one
> > of the siddhis 
> > he was
> > > > > > > good at, so there was no telling what, if
> > anything, was 
> > going
> > > > > > > to happen.  And yet most of us saw stuff,
> > and everyone who 
> > > > > > > saw it agreed on what was seen.  
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > [snip]
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Now, Unc, let me contrast what you said
> > above with what you 
> > > > > > originally wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > "I've witnessed real, hanging-ten-in-mid-air
> > levitation."
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I think you would agree with me when I
> > conclude that you 
> > have 
> > > > NOT 
> > > > > > witnessed "real, hinging-ten-in-mid-air
> > levitation" as you 
> > first 
> > > > > > claimed.  
> > > > > 
> > > > > No, I have.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > No, you didn't.
> > > > 
> > > > If you HAD, you wouldn't leave open the
> > possibility that it may 
> > have 
> > > > been the result of some other sidhi or that you
> > had your doubts 
> > that 
> > > > it could have been captured on videotape.
> > > > 
> > > > I think it would have been more properly
> > descriptive of you to 
> > have 
> > > > written that you had witnessed what "looked
> > like" levitation and 
> > not 
> > 
> === message truncated ===
> 
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