--- shempmcgurk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > Shemp, I don't have time for your disbelief games. > > > > "Disbelief games"? > > I think, Unc, that you're the one playing head games > when you claim > to have experienced "real" levitation and then, one > post later, upon > questioning, qualify the claim. > > Either you did or you didn't. > > It sounds to me like you're playing a game of > spiritual-one- > upmanship: I'm special...I've actually experienced > someone > levitating. I've read through all these posts in this exchange and I can't find a hint of this "spiritual-one-upsmanship". What are you talking about Shemp? Unc is talking about his experinece and then considering the possibility that there was some sort of subjective element involved in the perception of the levitation. He's being honest. What's the big deal? > > May I suggest that if you have, indeed, experienced > such a thing > that you keep it to yourself instead of bragging to > everyone that > you experienced something that 5,000 years of > recorded human history > would come to a standstill if even the remotest > possible proof was > offered to its reality. > > > > > > > I can't prove my experience to you, just as you > would > > not be able to prove what you would consider a > "real" > > experience of levitation if it had happened to > you. I > > get it...you don't want to believe this is true. > > > > There are a few websites out there where people > who > > studied with Rama have written about their > experiences. > > The one that put up my book, Ramalila.com, has a > bunch > > of such stories. Alternately, here's a link to a > PDF version > > of a book we (his students) wrote about studying > with him. > > One of my stories is in there, but under a > different name > > because they published it using pseudonyms for > every- > > one, for privacy reasons. > > > > http://www.imeditate.com/docs/LastIncarnation.pdf > > > > I'm posting the link knowing that you'll never > read it. > > You aren't interested in what really happened, > only in > > what you want to believe happened. So believe > that. > > Believe what you want. Whatever you believe, it > doesn't > > affect me in any way. > > > > Look for proof on your own time. I am content > with my > > personal experience. > > > > Unc > > > > > > --- In [email protected], > "shempmcgurk" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], > "shempmcgurk" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Unc, I am going to snip out what I believe > to be the > irrelevant > > > > > parts of your response and leave in the > parts I want to > address. > > > > > > > > > > You wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did you experience it only once? > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope. Many times. As did most of the > other students who > > > > > > studied with the guy. I will also > emphasise, for the > record, > > > the > > > > > > word "most." Some people (10-15) never > saw anything; > > > > > > others (1000s over the years, sometimes > 500 at once) saw > > > > > > this stuff all the time. Therefore, it > would appear to be > a > > > > > > phenomenon that is not entirely physical, > and takes place > > > > > > at least to some extent on subtle physical > levels. If > you're > > > > > > asking whether it was ever recorded on > film, I don't think > > > > > > so, and I don't know whether it could have > been. But it > was > > > > > > neat to witness, both as a phenomenon and > as a field of > > > > > > energy to be part of. The latter was the > real benefit of > > > > > > being around someone who is doing this, > IMO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because some people saw this phenomenon > and others > > > > > > in the same room did not, I have my doubts > that it would > > > > > > have been captured on videotape. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > > I will also admit, for the same reasons, > that there might > have > > > > > > been some kind of psychic siddhi going on, > in which > people's > > > > > > perceptions were altered to allow them to > see a phenomenon > > > > > > that might not have been present on a > physical level. But > > > > > > there was never any suggestion of what was > about to happen. > > > > > > The most he'd ever say was, "Watch." He > never said *what* > > > > > > to watch for, and levitation was only one > of the siddhis > he was > > > > > > good at, so there was no telling what, if > anything, was > going > > > > > > to happen. And yet most of us saw stuff, > and everyone who > > > > > > saw it agreed on what was seen. > > > > > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > > > > Now, Unc, let me contrast what you said > above with what you > > > > > originally wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "I've witnessed real, hanging-ten-in-mid-air > levitation." > > > > > > > > > > I think you would agree with me when I > conclude that you > have > > > NOT > > > > > witnessed "real, hinging-ten-in-mid-air > levitation" as you > first > > > > > claimed. > > > > > > > > No, I have. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, you didn't. > > > > > > If you HAD, you wouldn't leave open the > possibility that it may > have > > > been the result of some other sidhi or that you > had your doubts > that > > > it could have been captured on videotape. > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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