--- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > <snip> > > > > Wnat I *do* want badly enough to spend the > > > > time day after day doing program is to no > > > > longer be overshadowed. > > > > > > You aren't really. Its just a trick of the mind that you > > > believe the duality- that there is something external to you. > > > Its a common trick of the mind by the way; everyone falls for > > > it at some point ;) > > > > I know you mean it in the nicest possible way, > > but Jim, I get REALLY REALLY tired of hearing > > that kind of formulation. It isn't helpful or > > inspiring. It's my working assumption on an > > intellectual basis, but it doesn't undo the > > trick. If it did, I'd have become un-overshadowed > > many years ago. > > Thanks, and I'd like to think I'm a nice person, but no, I wasn't > saying it to be nice.
I meant you were saying it to be helpful, not as a putdown. > I mention it because it is the living truth. > Which you admit to knowing intellectually already. If I had a nickel every time I've heard it, I'd be rich. > There are three things which must be present for us to not > be 'overshadowed'. One is that the mind must be perfectly balanced. > Second, the heart must be pure and clear. Third, the heart and mind > must join as one, coordinated. > > So any perception of being overshadowed, i.e. "there is something > outside of me preventing me from being me", comes from one of the > above components not being available. I don't have any perception of it coming from the *outside*, fer pete's sake! > Keep in mind that the loss of overshadowing comes about through > Divine Grace. Except that first the mind must be perfectly balanced. Second, the heart must be pure and clear. Third, the heart and mind must join as one, coordinated. At least that's what I thought I just heard you say. > We work at it and work at and work at it Well, not if we're (not-)doing TM. I think of transcending as allowing what overshadows Divine Grace to subside. >, and then > when we are just sick of 'the path to enlightenment' and exhausted > in our efforts, it comes; If the heart is fearless and the mind is > resolute, the 'overshadowing' is transformed into the One. > > The subjective experience might be like this: > > that we have tried and tried to gain enlightenment, keeping in mind > all of the signs and subjective phenomena that have been reported > and verified. Then, very quickly, all of that which we have done > loses all of its meaning. There is no longer a state of > consciousness to aspire to. None of the 'rules' on how to remove > the overshadowing make sense, have any meaning. They become hollow. How about first the mind must be perfectly balanced, second, the heart must be pure and clear, and third, the heart and mind must join as one, coordinated? Do they become hollow too? Jim, I'm not trying to be difficult, and I appreciate your attempts to be helpful and speak the truth as you experience it. It's just that there's a disconnect that many people who are "there" already don't seem to recognize, and it can be intensely frustrating to those who aren't there yet. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
