--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > It would be for you, assuming you're realized. No, I am not realized; *au contraire* I am falsified, slain, dismembered, scattered to the winds of Love by remembering Reality IS :-) > That doesn't mean that's what it is for those > of us who aren't realized. Yes, I see. Thank You, my love! :-) <snip> > > > I only meant to > > point out how my "awakening" appeared to me, and how my > > previous "ignorance" seemed to work in denying the ever-present > > awakening. I realize that this may be of no great benefit to the > > conscious mind of anyone believing themselves to be in ignorance, > > It's of no great benefit to the conscious mind > of anyone who *IS* in ignorance. Yes, I think I understand what you are saying here -- you insist that ignorance is real, not merely a belief -- but the distinction is still somewhat moot to me. I am not speaking of a casual surface- mind belief here, but rather the core-belief in self-other separation, something believed with the entire (conscious) bodymind. > > but I am not particularly interested in that part of the conscious > > mind, anyhow. > > Yes, but WE are! Yes, here's where I am probably of much less help than Byron Katie would be :-) > > The best it can do is deny Perfection Now > > It doesn't "deny" it, Rory. The mind--the intellect-- > is designed to be *ignorant* of Perfection Now. Yes, I found that ignorance to be an active (albeit previously- unconscious) denial or *ignoring* of Wholeness. It > cannot be any other way or it would be useless for > physical survival. Interesting! Is that true? My understanding is the only thing it was really concerned with was its own survival *as a separate entity,* with the assumption of separation allowing it (in my case) to continually judge itself as better than/less than the "other," etc. It did not prove to be necessary (in its old form) for physical survival of the bodymind as US in perfection-now, at any rate. > And I'd take a wild guess and say that the intellect > continues to be ignorant of Perfection Now after > realization as well. Maybe so. My understanding is that the old intellect virtually disappears into something more like moment-to-moment intuition or appreciation of the continuously emerging miracle of here-now. But to that part which is > realized, this too is Perfection Now. Yes, quite True, it all is :-) > > (like an > > addiction to the past or future) until it bottoms out and gives up > > into what IS. I am speaking rather to and for the part of Us that > > knows the Truth -- to awaken or stimulate the US that always IS. > > Maybe it awakens or stimulates some, but any > such statements that don't begin, "I know this > is not your current reality, but my reality is..." But you see, I *don't* know that this is not your current reality, other than by your telling me so. I am beginning to believe you, though :-) > just serve to put me off. There's no reason > you have to convey these Truths as if they *were* > my reality and I was just being willfully > stubborn in not acknowledging them. I cannot at all pretend to speak for your reality as a separate being, Judy, nor am I *ever* able to comment on any idea of your possessing willful stubborness or lack thereof, as in my Heart of Hearts, you do not exist *as a separate being* any more than I do. Anything I comment upon, is *always* some element of myself alone. "You" and "I" are mingling waves of the Love of Us is about the best I can put it, or maybe "you" are one beautifully-clear mirror-facet of "I". So I am not attempting to comment on your qualities as a separate reality; I can only ever comment on how it all looked to me upon "awakening" -- as Jim reminds us, Truth is different, etc. :-) > It worries me a little to think what might happen > if a significant number of people become realized. > If they all behave like this--with the best will > in the world--toward those still in ignorance, > there's going to be trouble. Yes, maybe "death, dismemberment and scattering to the winds of Love" :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
