--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > <snip> > > You indicate that you are not enlightened, yet talk in great detail > > and apparent authority as to what it enlightenment is and what the > > path is and what the path is not. However, if enlightenment has not > > happened, and all pre-enlightenment is as Judy quotes MMY "a mistake > > of the intellect", or as others appear to echo "its NOTHING like > > you thought it would be", then it seems anything said in the > > unenlightened state about enlightenment is wrong. I would guess the > > words are even more deeply wrong, the more emphatic and > > authoritative the unenlightened speaker speaker is. > > But anything said *in the enlightened state* > about enlightenment is wrong as well. The > closest you can come is paradox or infinite > regress, because language itself exists only > in the context of the "mistake of the > intellect."
Well, it can easily be said that all words, all expressions are not fully true, in any state of consciousness. Words, what is "said", is an imprecise and generalized mapping of a symbol to a concept and/or experience/state/understanding. Words, what is "said", never hits its mark precisely. The real issue is that the "grasp", the "groking" of the "the enlightened state* by the "enlightened" is valid. The "grasp", the "groking" of the "the enlightened state* by the "unenlightened" is and will always be invalid and incorrect. Words of each may appear or even be the same. And will never hit the mark. > But anything said *in the enlightened state* > about enlightenment is wrong as well. The > closest you can come is paradox or infinite > regress, because language itself exists only > in the context of the "mistake of the > intellect." And if you you are not enlightened, then this is mere speculation, and probably wrong, if the points in the above post to Unc are valid. As are my words of course. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
