--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > So you don't think any of MMY's teaching about
> > > the nature of realization is accurate or useful
> > > from the vantage point of ignorance?  
> > 
> > No, I don't, particularly. Rather, at a certain point it appears to 
> > allow one to more or less happily remain in ignorance, locked into a 
> > conceptual framework of other-than-now and a belief in fully 
> > automatic, painless, effortless, mythical enlightenment "by-and-by," 
> > measuring oneself by our ideas of criteria set by others, not by 
> > those actual criteria honestly set by oneself. In other words, seen 
> > from one vantage point it appears to be truly magnificent at keeping 
> > many people asleep. While the description of the states of 
> > consciousness is stunningly beautiful, even this at best is a 
> > conceptual fairy-tale  :-)
> 
> Never been said better.  Thank you.

A thousand or so messages earlier I noticed that a lot of the 'newly
awakened' didn't get that way until they left the TMO and/or TM. I
find this interesting. I seems that TM provides a good platform that
sometimes needs to be jumped off of...Rory is spot on!

JohnY

 




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