--- In [email protected], "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > So you don't think any of MMY's teaching about > > > > the nature of realization is accurate or useful > > > > from the vantage point of ignorance? > > > > > > No, I don't, particularly. Rather, at a certain point it appears to > > > allow one to more or less happily remain in ignorance, locked into a > > > conceptual framework of other-than-now and a belief in fully > > > automatic, painless, effortless, mythical enlightenment "by-and-by," > > > measuring oneself by our ideas of criteria set by others, not by > > > those actual criteria honestly set by oneself. In other words, seen > > > from one vantage point it appears to be truly magnificent at keeping > > > many people asleep. While the description of the states of > > > consciousness is stunningly beautiful, even this at best is a > > > conceptual fairy-tale :-) > > > > Never been said better. Thank you. > > A thousand or so messages earlier I noticed that a lot of the 'newly > awakened' didn't get that way until they left the TMO and/or TM. I > find this interesting. I seems that TM provides a good platform that > sometimes needs to be jumped off of...Rory is spot on!
And possibly it's the "jumping off" itself that acts as the catalyst for realization, rather than what it is the student is jumping off *of*. That is, if one analyzes the hundreds of stories of seekers who had their first serious realization shortly after walking away from a long-term spiritual trip, the process may have more to do with the "walking away" than it does with what has been walked away from. Buddha walked away from one teacher and one tradition and found enlightenment. Hundreds of other seekers have had the same experience, even though what they walked away *from* was always different. Maybe the act of dropping one's attachment to a tradition and its dogma -- *whatever* that tradition and dogma may be -- is what acts as a catalyst for realization. Doesn't matter if it's TM one walks away from or Buddhism, or Christianity or whatever. "Walking away" means finally coming to trust oneself and one's intuition more than one trusts outside "authorities" or lineage or tradition. That trust may be the catalyst IMO. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
