--- In [email protected], "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > So you don't think any of MMY's teaching about
> > > > the nature of realization is accurate or useful
> > > > from the vantage point of ignorance?  
> > > 
> > > No, I don't, particularly. Rather, at a certain point it 
appears to 
> > > allow one to more or less happily remain in ignorance, locked 
into a 
> > > conceptual framework of other-than-now and a belief in fully 
> > > automatic, painless, effortless, mythical enlightenment "by-and-
by," 
> > > measuring oneself by our ideas of criteria set by others, not 
by 
> > > those actual criteria honestly set by oneself. In other words, 
seen 
> > > from one vantage point it appears to be truly magnificent at 
keeping 
> > > many people asleep. While the description of the states of 
> > > consciousness is stunningly beautiful, even this at best is a 
> > > conceptual fairy-tale  :-)
> > 
> > Never been said better.  Thank you.
> 
> A thousand or so messages earlier I noticed that a lot of the 'newly
> awakened' didn't get that way until they left the TMO and/or TM. I
> find this interesting. I seems that TM provides a good platform that
> sometimes needs to be jumped off of...Rory is spot on!
> 
> JohnY

Or the long dark night of the soul convinced them to leave, and 
rightly or wrongly, they've never looked back.

Actually, from the way some behave here, I suspect the long dark 
night is ongoing for many/most/all but they're in denial.





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