--- In [email protected], akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > --- In [email protected], Peter > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > MMY has gone mental! Love that ol' cosmic coot, > > > but > > > > he's gone off his cosmic rocker! > > > > > > Is that based on your expectation of how the > > > realized should act > > > and/or how gurus should interact with their > > > students? > > > > Read this one second to the real estate response. Yes, > > you definately got up on the wrong side of the bed. > > Actually not. I slept well. But I wrote these queries last night, so > its got to be something else. > > I am jut a bit intrigued by the "expectations" theme. See other posts > on this. (this one summarizes some of the issues.) > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/64595 > > > Why don't you talk to me about what's really bothering > > you. > > Nothing is bothering me other than my disquieting habit of following a > train of logic to its natural conclusion, regardless of "expectations" > of where it should go. I realize my words might have sounded pissy, > particularly if you woke up on the wrong side of the bed :), but they > were not intended as such. > > >It obviously has nothing to do with MMY's mental > > health or the decor of very large SV homes. > > Yes, in the sense its about exploring the expectations theme. > > You appear, in my view, to be smearing judgemental critics and > expectations with personal preferences. To say, "that decor is not for > me" -- and then dropping it, is a statment of personal taste. To go > further and say "thats tacky" is judgemental. > > And there is a semantical razor's edge here. By "judgemental views" I > mean making assessemnt of others or things that are not required for > ones own decisions and actions. Its not decrying using "judgement" aka > IMO intellectual discrimination, which when applied to things one must > make a decision about, and actions one is considering, is a good thing. > > A theme I am exploring is "are judgemental views rooted in > expectations"? It seem to be a correct, and useful, hypothesis, but I > am still looking for exceptions to disprove the it. > > So back to the examples, to say "that decor is not for me" is an > expression of personal taste, and may be quite relevant if one is > considering buying or renting the property. To make a value judgement, > that is to be judgemental about it, particularly if its a disparaging > one, particularly if it makes disparaging implications about others, > then its unecessary, it serves no decision-based or action-based > service. It only serves to distinguish oneself from others, to subtly > disparage others, a habit of the ego to pump up its own superiority. > > And I know Unc was making a joke. So we could just laugh it off as not > relevant. But I find "jokes" can often have embedded judgements at > thier core. Its what makes it "funny". It might be termed disparaging > humor or one-upmanship humor. And such humor can be self-mocking, that > is one uses such humor to point out the foibles of us all, incuding > the joke teller. But on the other hand, I have several friends, quite > smart, upbeat, spiritually inclined people, who at times can make > quite disparaging remarks about others -- in the context of humor. Its > can be quite shocking, the "meaness" of it all. But its a "joke", > right? That excuses everthing. :) > > But where is the line between personal tastes (a fine thing) and > judgemental views (an unecessary and harmful thing)? As touched on > above, I think it is where the judgement is relavant to, necessary > for, a personal decisions about an action. If its not, its a > superfilous and extranious judgement -- and its this type of constant > internally (and sometimes externally) "commenting on" judging people > and things, that cloud the mind. > > A parting example. You might comment internally (why the need to > express this externally is another issue): "MMY's behavior as a guru > is not useful to me. I won't follow what he says (anymore)." Thats all > good and fine, it relates to a personal decision and action. > > To go further, even as a joke, and say "he is off his rocker etc", is > judgemental, and serves no purpose in terms of personal decisions and > actions. Its could be a venting or coping sort of mechanism, and a > means to dissassociate yourself from the craziness, in a smug sort of > way. > > And it may indeed have to do with your expectations of what a realized > person should do and how guru should act when interacting with his > students. For you, perhaps, its inappropriate. Perhaps you bring up > counter arguments "well, not all gurus need to act in this way, e.g., > SSRS, Amma, etc." -- which might imply an expectation of how gurus > should act. Perhaps the purpose of MMY's actions is to break apart > such expectations. And thus he is helping you and many others to break > boundaries. > > Or perhaps he is clinically "ill". But then jokes are not in order. > Thats a serious clinical diagnosis, a "valid" judgement that could be > the basis of personal decisions and actions -- that is, taking actions > to have him formally diagnosed and perhaps "committed" if he presents > a danger too society. Thats not a joking matter. > > But hey, I know both Uncs and your comments were jokes. I can just > laugh. But they are helpful to me in tracing throught this odd little > thread in all of our lives called "expectations".
An interesting thread, this concept of expectations and judgement. I make just one assumption. The assumption is that there are no others, other than me. I reached this conclusion by examining my 'boundaries' which set me apart from others. 'Certainly' I have a body that is different from others, but when investigating the body, it is seen to be a collection of glued together energy bundles, that manifests more out of the concentrations and flavors of its energy, rather than any concrete physical presence. So, scratch *that* boundary... From there I move on to my mind, which is even more ephemeral than my body, and certainly less easy to contain...and from there, my spirit, even less localized. So, circling back to expectations and judgements of others' behaviors, it becomes an expectation of some flavor of me, leading to some judgement of me. The whole picture of having expectations of others, based on judgements they may be making falls apart. There is nothing other than me. That is where my focus lies. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
