thx...there seems to be a certain kinship between Bevan and "Immanuel" (Mitchell): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_David_Mitchell
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <geezerfreak@...> wrote: > > > The absurdity of it is astounding. Would anyone viewing Bevan for few minutes > or so say.."that's the shit, right there! THAT'S who I want to be like! Where > do I sign up!" > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Yea, I like the analysis but I'll stick with hope. 'Faith' is too > > > > loaded a word to graph in this. Hope, like hope that Bobby could pull > > > > it off vs. hope that he won't pull it off. And at that, what someone > > > > is going to do about it in either direction. Buy long, hold, sell, > > > > sell short. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a complexion of hope. Throw a shaped curve across long-buyers > > > > to holders to short-sellers in spiritual groups. It might be skewed > > > > right or left depending on the group. TB's on one side, attenders to > > > > the middle, and short-selling on the other. Scale of: hopeful, with > > > > hope, with little hope, without hope, hopeless, against all hope. > > > > > > > > With TM as it is now, you got TM-TB share holders "long" on one extreme > > > > and TM-haters on the other end working at "shorting" and some in the > > > > middle somewhere along the scale. I would hazard that the nuts are > > > > three standard deviations to either extreme. Such is the TM community. > > > > > > > > The cultists in either extreme are likely not that much different from > > > > each other in that the people in the middle between proly don't much > > > > trust either end. And shouldn't? > > > > > > > > & Bobby is trying to move to the middle? > > > > > > > > I think it is an interesting way of seeing what's going on. > > > > > > > > -Buck > > > > > > > > > > Wait, I am liking that word "faith" now in this analysis of yours about > > > the TM community. > > > > > > > > > Let's scale 'faith' on an axis from: > > > > > > "Long" on faith, holding with faith, 'holding', holding with lesser > > > faith, leaving faithless, selling "short" on Faith, against all faith. > > > > > > Throw a bell-shaped curve across that. TB's "long" on faith, meditators > > > or simple practitioners in the middle, and the haters working on the > > > other extreme. > > > > > > > > > That " 'Faith and Belief' in Maharishi" is a strong root in the current > > > TM-movement's fealty testing. It's very hard to have a conversation with > > > a real TM-TB'er about that. They can't really see it. However, that > > > testing has through time propelled the Fairfield dome numbers towards > > > insolvency dating back at least to Bevan and Maharishi, Gurupurnima 1994. > > > Particularly, " the movement is for those who have faith and belief in > > > Maharishi. Everyone else should leave ... and leave us alone". -Bevan > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/15 > > > > > > Other iterations of this they say are that "Fairfield is for those who > > > have 'faith and belief' in Maharishi's Knowledge". Even last summer when > > > TM-Raja-ism got into reviewing the dome policies and guidelines after > > > John Hagelin had started in to them, the undertow turned exactly on this > > > kind of "Faith and Belief" test. > > > This application of "Faith and Belief in Maharishi" fealty got reaffirmed > > > by the TM-Rajas and is still the essential policy of the guidelines. > > > This fictional video is not far from the truth of how this 'faith and > > > belief' in practice con volutes: > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOPXgBflM8I > > > > > > It is kind of a 'hopeless' situation for the dome numbers now with what > > > they have done. It is really unfortunate. > > > > > > -Buck in FF > > > > > > > > > > Yep, this weekend going to Harry's memorial on campus I saw lot of old TM > > movement friends up there. His circle was old Purusha and old MIU. It was > > great fun seeing people and catching up. I knew Harry back in 1971 and all > > along. > > > > One person I was a little stunned to learn about was a guy who got kicked > > out of the domes for using non-TM-movement joytish-i's . This was a guy I > > associate with 'long rounds' back before I got kicked out of the domes. I > > loved the long meditations. Long meditations and creating coherence > > program for years. I had a job and life that allowed for that and this guy > > did too. > > > > Last year in the cross-fire between Bevan-conseervatives tightening the > > guidelines and John Hagelin-progressives trying to get the numbers up this > > guy got sought out and kicked out. Jeesus, this is the kind of guy you'd > > want meditating in a group. Retired, has the time and an old powerful > > meditator. Out. I'm really kind of stunned with this guy. He is a good > > plain guy really. It is so arbitrary, who they go after. It's just a bad > > message. And Bevan is going out around the country trying to get people of > > the old TM movement to come to Fairfield? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > So if I am reading you right here, the market differential > > > > > > here would be in "hope". Different people are going "long" > > > > > > and "short" in "hope". > > > > > > > > > > I've been actually thinking about this word "hope" > > > > > lately, and so will reply. > > > > > > > > > > I honestly think that you're confusing the word > > > > > "hope" with the word "faith." You may, in fact, > > > > > equate the two. I don't. The people I know who > > > > > have "walked away" from one spiritual trip or > > > > > another are on the whole far more hopeful than > > > > > the people I know who have picked a spiritual > > > > > trip and "stuck with it," no matter what. > > > > > > > > > > I honestly think that the distinction you're > > > > > wanting to make is between those who choose to > > > > > maintain faith in the TMO and those who do not. > > > > > "Hope" is not affected by the latter. > > > > > > > > > > > Those who are hopeful (buy long to hold), those who don't > > > > > > hope one way or the other (hangers-on/hold who don't pay > > > > > > much attention), the lost hope who leave the market (sell) > > > > > > and those who are actively without hope that act on it > > > > > > (sell short). > > > > > > > > > > Replace the word "hope" with the word "faith" > > > > > above, and yes, by Jove I think you've got it. :-) > > > > > > > > > > Except for equating "selling" with "leaving the > > > > > market," that is. Do you think that those who > > > > > "sold their stock in the TMO" and moved on to > > > > > other teachers "left the market? Do you think > > > > > that those who chose to strike out on their own > > > > > and invent their own spiritual path "left the > > > > > market?" I think of it more like they just > > > > > changed brokers. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > Those last real hopeless who actively go "short" and work > > > > > > at it covertly are different cats. You can see all of that > > > > > > with TM and the community. It's an interesting analysis > > > > > > that kind of opens it up. > > > > > > > > > > I thought so. The "time lag" my friend perceived > > > > > and made a fortune from between the time that an > > > > > investor first has doubts about the worth of his > > > > > investment and the time he does something about it > > > > > seems to map well for me to the decision a seeker > > > > > makes about going "long haul" with a teacher or > > > > > an organization and "selling short" and trying > > > > > something else. I've certainly noticed that time > > > > > lag in my own life, and have seen it in the lives > > > > > of others. > > > > > > > > > > > In any conversation around FF at any table, in any room, > > > > > > or with any group there is always a calculation of where > > > > > > people are on this. It kind of determines what and how > > > > > > you can say things to people. People are really pretty > > > > > > good with each other here that way. > > > > > > > > > > I can imagine that the politically-correct thing > > > > > to do would be to avoid topics that might offend > > > > > what you know of your companions' beliefs and > > > > > sensibilities, yes. More of an English tea room > > > > > than a saloon. :-) > > > > > > > > > > Not that there's anything wrong with that. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > Good observation Turqb. Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for following up, and with info on short > > > > > selling, for those who didn't know what it is. > > > > > It's really a curious invention, something I was > > > > > completely unaware of until I started doing com- > > > > > puter consulting for Wall Street firms. I'm just > > > > > not an investment kinda guy, so the notion that > > > > > you could make money by predicting a *loss* on > > > > > something just blew me away. My intuition has > > > > > treated me well in casinos, but there the game > > > > > is to predict the winners. With short selling > > > > > the game is to predict the losers. > > > > > > > > > > And it really "fits" with some people's predilec- > > > > > tions, like my friend's. He has this kind of > > > > > "disasterdar," and can see the bottom dropping > > > > > out of certain stocks long before they do. That > > > > > enables him to make money *as* they do. > > > > > > > > > > He's kind of a free-willer in a determinist > > > > > market. When he "sees" something, it's for him > > > > > a Done Deal. 9 times out of 10, when he "sees" > > > > > a stock tanking, it does. So that part is deter- > > > > > ministic. But what he *does* with this "seeing" > > > > > is free will. He finds a way to turn it into > > > > > money. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
