--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@...> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltablues@> > wrote: > > > > This distinction is a classic case of Maharishi's two > > teachings, the one he used for PR (scientific materialism) > > and the one he pulled out when there were believers in the > > room. He used his PR message to appear sciency (A method > > he actually had contempt for.) > > I don't think you can base your "two teachings" premise > solely on the basis of those two sentences.
I had some more exposure to his teaching than just those two sentences. Why would you restrict us to just those this quote in any discussion about him here? I'm sure you know he wasn't a scientific materialist. I'm not sure what point you are making here. He found the presentation of scientific materialism useful as a marketing strategy, which he laid out explicitly in his SOB. (favorite acronym ever!) > > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "PaliGap" <compost1uk@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Yifu" <yifuxero@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > thx, on his stmt that everything is physical, consciousness > > > > > is a product of brain functioning, etc; > > > > > > > > You think that's what it says? (The statement from MMY below). > > > > > > That *is* what it says, almost verbatim. Look again (between > > > the added asterisks): > > > > > > > > > "Every experience has its level of physiology, and so unbounded > > > > > > awareness has its own level of physiology which can be measured. > > > > > > Every aspect of life is integrated and connected with every other > > > > > > phase. When we talk of scientific measurements, it does not take > > > > > > away from the spiritual experience. We are not responsible for > > > > > > those times when spiritual experience was thought of as > > > > > > metaphysical. ***Everything is physical. Consciousness is the > > > > > > product of the functioning of the brain.*** Talking of scientific > > > > > > measurements is no damage to that wholeness of life which is > > > > > > present everywhere and which begins to be lived when the physiology > > > > > > is taking on a particular form. This is our understanding about > > > > > > spirituality: it is not on the level of faith --it is on the level > > > > > > of blood and bone and flesh and activity. It is measurable." > > > > > > > Isn't it more accurately summarized as "everything has a physical > > > > level, consciousness is correlated with brain functioning"? > > > > Metaphysically that's a big difference. > > > > > > Correlation does not imply causation. But he was explicit > > > that consciousness is caused by ("is the product of") brain > > > functioning. And "is physical" is not the same as "has a > > > physical level." > > > > > > He may have "really meant" something more like your summary, > > > but that just ain't what he actually said in that statement. > > > I suspect, in light of the rest of his teaching, that he > > > inadvertently overstated his point in the two sentences > > > between the asterisks. But you can't say Yifu *misread* what > > > he wrote. > > > > > >
