--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > If you have to ask how people know these things, it really > > > > doesn't speak very well of TM, does it? > > > > > > Scientific research that this isn't moodmaking? > > > > Some people haven't been trained to distrust their > > own experience. > > Heh. SOme people are wiser than others.
Wiser? Let's analyze that, shall we? Suppose that tomorrow you sit to meditate, have a clear, unmistakable experience of transcendence (pure consciousness, samadhi, whatever you want to call it), and then it doesn't go away. You get up and the same exact phenomenon is there as you enter into your activity, coexistent with your activity. It doesn't go away for weeks, or months, or years. It is there pretty much at all times, whether you are awake, in deep sleep or are dreaming. So. Are you experiencing CC, as Maharishi has defined it? The only "evidence" you have is subjective. As you are probably the first to point out, there is NO "scientific" criterion that could be used to verify or not verify your subjective experience. If one exists, it certainly hasn't been found yet. So the question arises -- do you continue to doubt your own subjective experience, or do you accept it as valid? THIS is the gateway to enlightenment, Lawson. Everyone who has EVER realized enlightenment has had to walk through it, and had to make the decision to trust their own subjective experience more than they trust objective "fact" or someone *else's* subjective opinion. I wish you luck when this happens to you, but I suspect you'll need it. Your consistent approach here is to doubt *anyone's* subjective experience in favor of the opinion of either an outside "authority" or in favor of some kind of scientific validation. At this point, no such "validation" or "authority" would be *possible* for you if you realized your enlightenment tomorrow. No one in the TM organization whom you have access to could, or would, "authorize" your experience and say what it was, one way or another. No scientific "test" exists to "validate" it one way or another. You're on your own, just as most enlightened beings in the history of the human race have been. Good luck. When the time comes, I hope you've managed to change your definition of "wise," and become a bit wiser. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
