-- In [email protected], "whynotnow7" <whynotnow7@...> wrote: > > Curtis, I am making the point that AT LEAST no one here on FFL came anywhere > near any direct evidence of what is being alleged, book or not.>
Like any topic discussed, other than ourdirect experience. And of course due to the private nature of this experience, that is not a reasonable expectation for this topic. <I have an opinion on all of this, though I didn't want to lead with it, because that is all it is, just like everyone else's, an opinion (damn I sound like the turq dude, huh?...). However I am surprised at what others are assuming my opinion is. Well you know what they say about assumptions...:-)> ME: I am interested in opinions from people who have read the book. I really couldn't care less who reads it and doesn't find it credible for their standards. I have been discussing apriori opinions of the book without reading it. That falls below my own criteria for reasonable opinions about a book. The bigger issues about Maharishi for me are not that he, like most men in power, took some nookie license, although the abuse of power gives me pause, but that I sincerely believe he is wrong about human consciousness and its possibilities. I have yet to hear anything convincing about the connection between what we experience in our heads and the home of all the laws of nature. Of course YMMV and if it works for you more power to ya. > > --- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltablues@> > wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "whynotnow7" <whynotnow7@> wrote: > > > > > > Funny that the anti-Maharishi, anti-TMO, anti-"enlightenmentudeness" > > > clique here continuously claims that those who make positive claims about > > > Maharishi, the TMO and enlightenment are doing so to garner attention and > > > feel special and elevated above others. The same could easily be said > > > about those claiming to have had sex with Maharishi. After all, what > > > would be more special than that? "Look at me, I boinked Maharishi...". > > > Yeah, look at you, center stage... > > > > That might have worked better when she was actually in the movement. But > > she took decades to process the experience it all and her account doesn't > > come off that way. It is hard to discuss the book if you haven't read it. > > But talking about it this way without reading it does reveal some stuff > > about your perspective. > > > > The problem with the enlightenment claim is that it IS a claim of intrinsic > > superiority on whatever you are knowing. This is just a specific > > experience and only applies to it. And it was a special relationship she > > had with Maharishi with or without the undercover activities. But that > > doesn't give her the right to tell me she has discovered the purpose of > > life itself. And thankfully she hasn't tried. > > > > > > > > There is also a propensity among this anti-everything-Maharishi crowd to > > > question any experience had in the presence of Maharishi. Why not > > > seriously question these claims of sex? After all, this could be some > > > kind of fantasy fulfillment for the women involved, after rounding for > > > years and becoming progressively more and more unstable (as we are always > > > told by the TM detractors here regarding the results of TM and TMSP). It > > > sounds like confirmation bias to me. > > > > No, it reveals yours if you haven't read the book. > > > > > > > > > > Regardless of our opinions, there is zero evidence of Maharishi having > > > had sex with anyone. Lots of hearsay, accusations, rumors and beliefs- an > > > airtight case within airtight minds- however the only things missing are > > > *facts* and *evidence*. > > > > So if a person witnesses something or is a participant, their description > > of it is not credible once it leaves their lips? We are only confident > > about things that happen to us but shouldn't be fooled by book learning > > accounts of history? That sounds a bit limited to me. > > > > > > > > > > Seems that going after this sacred cow of MMY having sex isn't in the > > > best interests of those with an agenda against Maharishi, doesn't support > > > their story, their version of reality that they cling to so dearly. > > > > > > And agenda against Maharishi. Hate to break it to ya Jim but the guy is > > totally dead. We are just discussion different views of history here. And > > by not reading the book I'm pretty sure it isn't us who are trying to cling > > to some version of reality. Your attempts to discredit the book ahead of > > time is very revealing about your own bias. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" > > > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <LEnglish5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > [Rick wrote:] > > > > > > > There were numerous witnesses, in the person of > > > > > > > multiple women. Each had their own "events". > > > > > > > Only one has had the guts to write a book. > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, so you now have several people claiming that > > > > > > several different events happened, apparently > > > > > > always in private. Still not anything more than > > > > > > he-said, she-said. > > > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > But your attempts to make it seem as if you can > > > > > write it off without reading it because of he said > > > > > she said is nonsense. You just don't want to read > > > > > it. Fair enough. Your choice. But assessing > > > > > credibility ahead of time just reveals how our minds > > > > > protect cherished beliefs from counter evidence. > > > > > You are not upholding some principle of not taking > > > > > he said she said stories seriously. > > > > > > > > Look, I'm completely convinced the story is true. > > > > But I'm also in total agreement with what Lawson > > > > is saying. You're overinterpreting the point he's > > > > making and attributing it to a belief on his part > > > > that the account is false, but you aren't doing > > > > that on the basis of anything he's actually > > > > *said*. > > > > > > > > (Actually I don't agree with what he says about > > > > "preponderance of evidence" in a civil case. That > > > > standard is looser than he thinks. But there's a > > > > distinction between "de jure" (as a matter of law) > > > > and "de facto" (as a matter of fact). It's > > > > entirely possible for a person to be a child > > > > molester, to use your example, *de jure* but not > > > > *de facto*. Or vice-versa.) > > > > > > > > > >
