--- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > <snippity snip> 
> > > 
> > > Do you see the difference between "You're trying to
> > > > avoid becoming enlightened" and "I perceive that the
> > > > way you're going about this is getting in the way of
> > > > your enlightenment"?
> > > 
> > > Yes, the first phrasing is about you, and spoken directly to 
> you, 
> > so 
> > > that you are then given the choice to deal with the issue at 
> hand, 
> > or 
> > > not.
> > > 
> > > The second phrasing is about me, and what my perceptions of you 
> > are, 
> > > therefore bringing into question the validity of my 
perceptions. 
> As 
> > I 
> > > said earlier, while this may be a fascinating topic for you, it 
> > avoids 
> > > the issue at hand; the removal of obstacles to enlightenment.
> > > 
> > > So the difference to me is clear. You persist in making these 
> > semantic 
> > > distinctions, which are irrelevant to the topic at hand. Do I 
> > believe 
> > > that your motive of becoming enlightened is genuine? As 
> Maharishi 
> > > says, the prrof is in the pudding.
> > 
> > What pudding?
> 
> As Maharishi says, The proof is in the pudding.

What pudding?





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