--- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <snip> > I am talking about generic teaching in the above case. In this > particular case, i.e. providing an enlightened perspective to the > ignorant, the same principle applies. The only issue of any > importance whatsoever when discussing overcoming obstacles to > enlightenment is *overcoming the obstacles*. > > If the student persists in bringing up their perspective and > insisting that the discussion center on that, for the apparent > purpose of avoiding their enlightenment, then the discussion in my > view jeopardizes the objective of reaching enlightenment, and is > therefore irrelevant.
Well, shore. But it isn't clear to me that this is even germane to what I'm trying to get at. I would quibble with "for the apparent purpose of avoiding their enlightenment," though. I'd prefer the phrasing "with the apparent effect (from the teacher's perspective) of keeping the student from enlightenment." > > > It is like being disciplined as a child. If we are always > > > presented with just the child's point of view, we never grow > > > up. So the realities of the enlightened and the ignorant are > > > quite different, and at the same time it greatly behooves the > > > ignorant to be exposed to the naked reality of the enlightened, > > > if they truly want to gain that release of suffering for > > > themselves. > > > > It seems Gauci believes this teacher's naked reality > > encompassed both realities. He thinks of it as > > true compassion. > > > An enlightened reality necessarily encompasses *all* realities, > ignorant, enlightened and everything in between. True compassion > however does not jeopardize the message of the teacher to the > student. If it does, it is not true compassion because it allows > the suffering of the student to continue. Again, granted, but not germane to my point. Do you see the difference between "You're trying to avoid becoming enlightened" and "I perceive that the way you're going about this is getting in the way of your enlightenment"? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
