Thanks Jim.
--- In [email protected], "whynotnow7" <whynotnow7@...>
wrote:
>
> Nailed it.
>
> --- In [email protected], "Ravi Yogi" raviyogi@ wrote:
> >
> > Mark - Thanks for your reply. I have to clarify that at no point I
> > suggested or would ever imply that you were an imbecile or reborn as
a
> > donkey for the things you said about MMY otherwise I wouldn't have
> > wished for your success. I hope I can try to address your points and
> > further clarify my thoughts.
> > "So, just as an example, if I say "M slept with women and got
sexually
> > frustrated when he couldn't get any," what kind of statement is
this? Is
> > it purely my projection? Is it a moral judgement? Is it objective?
Is it
> > subjective? Is it true? Is it false? Is it cavil? Will I be reborn a
> > donkey for saying it?"
> > M slept with women would be reality and portrayal of his behavior as
> > sexual frustration is just a judgment and most likely your
projection.
> > "Because, as Robin says, the images that forced themselves upon us
> > forced us to revise our estimation of the man"
> > I wouldn't have revised the estimation, that would be swinging to
the
> > other direction, I would have doubted my initial estimation.
> > I explained before how a Satguru as a perfect mirror, of pure
awareness,
> > would cause an array of dizzying, bewildering, conflicting emotions.
> > However if one is aware we would find this opportunity in our day to
day
> > interactions. Any person or situation that causes bewildering,
> > conflicting emotions would be our Guru, would point to the core
pains
> > that haven't been healed within us.
> > This will definitely happen in any loving, intimate relationship and
a
> > relationship with someone like M definitely surpasses that.
> > In my life my ex caused these kind of emotions, I madly loved her,
so my
> > initial estimation of her was very positive but soon over the years,
she
> > caused me lot of grief which caused me to revise my estimation like
you.
> > I was bitter, angry, miserable.
> > But eventually I realized that all these emotions were all mine, she
was
> > who she was, but by her very nature she created this array of
emotions
> > in me, she was much more of a Guru than my Guru Ammachi. Now I just
look
> > at her, I just look at the reality, untainted, undisturbed by my own
> > pain.
> > Once I was healed, I was free to truly act without projecting any of
my
> > pains, I was free of the grip, grip of my own fears, insecurities,
pains
> > reflected by the other, which can only be caused by a deep intimate
> > relationship.
> > A deep intimate relationship where the center falls to the other, a
> > great start but not the end, the end isn't until the center falls
back
> > in to you, into your own core.
> > Till you are tethered to the other, the fascination continues, the
blame
> > continues, since you are not to blame. How could you be blamed? You
are
> > innocent, gullible, you are a victim, the other is to blame, the
other
> > is responsible. And the drama continues.
> > YMMV.
> >
> >
