On Jul 24, 2011, at 10:51 PM, authfriend wrote: > Sorry, but I can document everything I've said about Vaj; > he can't document or even cite a single example of a lie > from me, nor can anyone else here. I simply don't lie; > I have no need to. > > Anyone who knows the players here can see the intentional > deception in Vaj's comment at the end of his current post > about initiators being brainwashed; three of the TM > teachers who doubt Vaj's claimed TM status are disaffected > in one respect or another and haven't been part of the > movement in some years. They're all on record in the > archives of this forum as suspecting Vaj has not told > the truth about his experience with TM, not because he's > a TM critic but because he's said a number of things > about the technique and how it's taught that are grossly > factually inaccurate and easily revealed as such by > reference to the TM checking notes. > > Again, all this is very well documented. > > With regard to "Poor Barry and Curtis," yes, Curtis is > relatively innocent compared to Vaj. But "Poor Barry" > isn't; he's worse. I could document from the archives > literally *hundreds* of falsehoods from him. > > The Web site Vaj mentions, as he well knows, is not mine. > It's a site put up by Andrew Skolnick, author of the > infamous JAMA article on TM, in revenge for having been > repeatedly outed as a liar on the Usenet newsgroup alt.m.t > by me and several other TMers. > > As for "many of Mahesh's closest inside men" agreeing with > Vaj, that's a truly pathetic claim just on its face. > > Mark, it's a pity we have a few deeply malicious people on > this forum. Most of us have been enjoying your reminiscences > and reflections. I hope you don't let the conflicts between > the former and the latter groups drive you away. There's no > need for you to get involved in them. > Thank you, again, Judy, and don't worry about this. I didn't really understand that "2 Vags" email so I just deleted it. If I fall away it's because I must focus on other things or because my usefulness here seems to be dwindling. But I really did have resistance to the flying. I think I was the last one in my group to start. I remember saying something like "Can you imagine angels doing this? This seems like it's more for monkeys." It seemed very undignified to me. But once I started I did have a lot of thrilling bliss with it.
> > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajradhatu@...> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 24, 2011, at 11:27 PM, Mark Landau wrote: > > > > > Thank you, Judy. There are quite a lot of things that get communicated > > > here that hold no meaning for me whatsoever. I think my participation > > > here has peaked. I'll need to start investing more of my time on > > > survival... > > > > > > Please keep in mind Mark, Judy has a long-standing reputation as a chronic > > liar (all the while obsessing about others words, and how she might edit > > them). She's still constantly - and obsessively - barking about Poor Barry > > and Curtis, despite their relative innocence. > > > > Please refer to her (now outdated) website, The Junkyard Dog. > > > > So sad. > > > > Many of Mahesh's closest inside men agree with me. Quite sad, but quite > > true. > > > > Initiators were - and many still are - the most thoroughly brainwashed of > > Mahesh's followers. They'll defend their vedic anthill till the end. This > > is true, even in the most objective. > > > >
