--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Denise Evans <dmevans365@...> wrote: > > I've said for a long time that it is corporate that's running the show. >  While I believe Obama thought he could usher in a more just and robust > America, he wasn't able to and is now another pawn taking directions from the > big Democratic party doners.  > However, he faced unbelievable odds...Bush and the Republicans left this > country in tatters after inheriting the strongest federal balance sheet in > postwar history.  I have no understanding of how anyone could trust that > agenda, which is why, when I look at the alternative to Obama, I get even > more worried.  > All politicians give us BS in their speeches - I can't tolerate listening to > any of them on either side.  I think we need to get a message to the > Democratic Party and our individual reps...they are just as bad right now in > using sensationalism and self-righteousness to drum up money as the other > side...two sides of the same coin.  It's a completely flawed system. Maybe > there is value in a 4th party, I don't know. > Until we, the people, address corporate america and demand that they work for > us and not the other way around, we are screwed.  How do we do this?  I'd > like to hear some ideas.
I think in our society, just about the only way to change people's minds and/or to mobilize them to make demands of corporate America is through a movie, or several, that get the information out in a simple, vivid, unambiguous form. Most people don't want to think too much or deeply about anything complicated. So the movies would need to be compelling, clear, somewhat simple, and appeal to a variety of issues that affect us. People would have to get that without change, they are hurt financially, and that with change, they will benefit financially. Along with the movie some simple, inexpensive ways to put pressure on corporations has to be available. But I hold little hope that anything would work. If climate change and health insurance are examples of our behavior on issues, despite how important they are, then everyone will just follow along in their same thought patterns. What I see is that the only reason most people are interested in driving a smaller, gas efficient car now is because the cost of gas bothers them. And most don't want national health insurance because, God forbid, they might end up paying a few pennies for some disabled or unemployed person's health care, too. We here in the US don't do much to help the group - our individualism is entrenched strongly. > Of course, Obama may be deciding that his life is more important....remember > what happens to those who are too outspoken and gain too much influence. > Â While I have no proof of course.....I always think about JFK, Bobby > Kennedy, and MLK. Â > > --- On Thu, 7/28/11, Tom Pall <thomas.pall@...> wrote: > > From: Tom Pall <thomas.pall@...> > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] #f@ckyouwashington > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 4:36 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 9:40 AM, raunchydog <raunchydog@...> wrote: > > > We don't need a 3rd party. Â We need to primary Obama with a Democrat who > > will stand up and say Obama doesn't represent the party of FDR, he > > represents the blood suckers on Wall Street. Bernie Sanders agrees we > > should primary Obama hoping it would push Obama further to the left. It's > > not going to happen. Obama has a lock on plenty of money for a campaign > > that would (if 2008 is any lesson) trash the reputation of the challenger, > > have the DNC cheat for him and play the race card for good measure. Obama > > is on the right, has always been on the right and will stay on the right > > regardless of a primary. > > > > > > The debt ceiling debate is just kabuki to make the rubes believe that the > > only choice, Flimflam Man has to save the county from defaulting on its > > debt is sacrifice Social Security and Medicare when in truth that is > > exactly what Obama was hired to do. > > > > > > If Obama were a Democrat, he would have stopped all the Republican crazy > > talk about the debt ceiling by simply saying he would invoke the 14th > > Amendment. Bill Clinton said he would invoke the constitutional option to > > raise the debt ceiling "without hesitation, and force the courts to stop > > me" in order to prevent a default. Now, there's a president with some balls. > > > > > > http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2011/07/19/bill-clinton-says-he-would-use-the-14th-amendment/ > > > > > > For the past few weeks, Obama has shown no interest in involving Democrats > > in "negotiating" with Boehner, Cantor or McConnell because he couldn't have > > gotten away with unilaterally offering up programs to help the poor and > > women. Obama has continually lied about the strength and solvency of the > > social safety net and now he has accomplished what George W. Bush and every > > Republican before him could only dream of doing, destroy FDR's New Deal. > > > > > > > What is going on here? I've been complaining about a lack of follow > > through, a lack of leadership. Yes, we're going to close GITMO, > > yes, gays in the military and so on yet when in office it's OK, at > > least two full scale wars are great, and we'll involve ourselves in > > civil wars as we do in Libya. It's Pax Americana all over again. We > > can't cut defense spending because when Obama became president he was > > born again and saw how important being involved in everybody else's > > life is good. Then there's the gay thing. Another president who > > cared would have used his powers as Commander in Chief. Another > > president would have said yes, I've got a duty to uphold the way, but > > I'm going to shirk my duty and tell Justice to lay off the DOM law. > > I've wondered where the leadership's been. Why not stand up against > > the Repubs. FDR did, LBJ did, Bill Clinton acted presidential. I'm > > starting to agree with you, RD. It's looking like we have a president > > with an agenda here and he hides his agenda in not being a leader. > > Don't be a leader, be ineffectual when you need to make it look like > > you're being forced into watered down health reform, cutting down on > > social security, medicare and medicaid. Don't question why we need to > > spend so much money elsewhere, like bombing Libya. It doesn't matter > > that 1/5th of men aren't working, that there's so much unemployment > > and under employment because that keeps wages down. What matters is > > that companies are profiting big time without having to hire. What's > > good for Wall Street is good for America. I've wondered why, since > > election day, I've cringed every time Obama gives a speech. I can't > > stand to hear the man because the bullshit detector keeps going off. >
