There are many interesting points in this response....I've determined that I'm
not qualified to speak on the matter of economics or weigh in on the
performance of our president. The posturing is all we read about in the
news...the pointless distraction of one vicious dogfight after another.
My reactive opinions are based on a combination of intuition and real world
experience and I'm not giving up on the only candidate standing between me and
a continuation of the Bush years.
I wonder sometimes if we should all take our different spiritual practices and
practice them at a single time period and stop fighting about which are "true"
and which aren't and just focus on something simple like "peace" or
"compassion". They all get us supposedly to the same place....
Perhaps if there were a coordinated spiritual sit-in, we would see whether we
humans have any ability to shift the destructive emphasis.
--- On Thu, 7/28/11, Bhairitu <noozg...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
From: Bhairitu <noozg...@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] #f@ckyouwashington
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, July 28, 2011, 1:40 PM
On 07/28/2011 01:03 PM, Denise Evans wrote:
> I've said for a long time that it is corporate that's running the show.
> While I believe Obama thought he could usher in a more just and robust
> America, he wasn't able to and is now another pawn taking directions from the
> big Democratic party doners.
I think the ruse was in before he even gave the speech at the 2004
election. It was all orchestrated before that. He was a "chosen
candidate" and the speech written to gain him attention for a
presidential run. I still voted for him. I certainly wasn't going to
vote for McCain. The only Republican I've ever voted for was a liberal
one who was a governor of my home state and later senator. I didn't
support Hillary because shouldn't wouldn't have won either. You would
have had all the howling from the Clinton haters against her. Obama
asked us at one point to hold his feet to the fire and we have done so.
We have an illusion of democracy. And indeed corporate is running the
show. Up until Santa Clara County vs South Pacific Railroad they
couldn't. I sometimes suspect the Civil War wasn't about states rights
over slavery but states rights over railroad gauges. Back then you had
railroads running different gauges. In order for the railroad mogols to
have consistent gauges for a transcontinental railroad you needed a
federal law mandating it. Without that every time you crossed a state
line you would have had to change trains. There was a LOT of money at
stake with that project.
> However, he faced unbelievable odds...Bush and the Republicans left this
> country in tatters after inheriting the strongest federal balance sheet in
> postwar history. I have no understanding of how anyone could trust that
> agenda, which is why, when I look at the alternative to Obama, I get even
> more worried.
I believe the Republicans want to destroy the US economy so their
cronies can buy it for pennies on the dollar. They are descendants
either by blood or by ideology (useful idiots) of European landowners
who didn't like their serfs fleeing to the new world and owning
property. This has been going on since the country was founded.
Own your house outright? We'll they may try to find some way to kick
you out of it. They hate us for our freedoms. But they are risking an
insurgency rising up against them. And I don't think the Patriot Act
nor the DHS can prevent it.
> All politicians give us BS in their speeches - I can't tolerate listening to
> any of them on either side. I think we need to get a message to the
> Democratic Party and our individual reps...they are just as bad right now in
> using sensationalism and self-righteousness to drum up money as the other
> side...two sides of the same coin. It's a completely flawed system. Maybe
> there is value in a 4th party, I don't know.
Create a new government and constitution where policy is made by a large
council. No one could have enough power to pull it any one direction.
We have the technology for everyone to get involved if they want to. I
personally think that a socialist government that runs things in the
commons and has a mandate to be streamlined would work very well. And
at the same time allow ONLY small business to exist. This because the
latter would be too much micromanagement for a centralized government.
More likely though the US would break up geographically into new
countries which have specific issues. This happened to the USSR.
OTOH, if you look at the open source movement in software some of the
newer business models we may well be moving towards a collectivist
society. The corporations want to run it but fie to that. It should be
owned and run by the people. There are just a lot of situations where
individual ownership no longer makes sense.
>
> Until we, the people, address corporate america and demand that they work for
> us and not the other way around, we are screwed. How do we do this? I'd
> like to hear some ideas.
Capitalism only works in small populations where there is plenty of
slack. It is too chaotic otherwise. What we have now is "money
junkies" who are obsessed with accumulating money and power. We curbed
that with progressive taxes which discouraged such behavior. When those
taxes were capped we got these deranged billionaires. People like the
Koch brothers (who earned their money the old fashioned way -- they
inherited it) are a danger to America. This shit has to stop!
> Of course, Obama may be deciding that his life is more important....remember
> what happens to those who are too outspoken and gain too much influence.
> While I have no proof of course.....I always think about JFK, Bobby Kennedy,
> and MLK.
You might enjoy Russ Baker's writings on conspiracy in America. It is
not sensationalist radio jock stuff and well researched. He claims your
oil moguls have been running things for decades in America and decide
WHO will play salesman (president) in the illusion of democracy:
http://whowhatwhy.com/author/russ-baker/
