--- In [email protected], "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], anonymousff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In [email protected], wmurphy77 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > snip > > > > > Right, so why can't Israel exist peacefully in 'Palestine'? > > > > > > > > Beats me, though I don't think the 'we were here first' > argument > > > works > > > > well. > > > > > > > > Probably because the Israeli state was created by the British > from > > > > seized Arab land in the late 40's, in order to weaken the Arab > > > > nationalist movement. No one ever goes for that stuff, and > there > > > has > > > > been war there ever since. > > > > > > I think you are mistaken, the *JEWS* bought most of the land > from > > > absentie lanlords (Arabs), it was nothing but barren. The JEWS > made > > > it > > > what it is today....isn't that reason enough? (Plus having been > there > > > since the beginning of time). > > > > Is that the 6000 year old "beginning of time" per the Old Testement > > (as interpreted by some) or the 20 million years ago "beginning of > > time" that the progenitors of all current humanity migrated out of > > Ethiopia, or the 6 billion? years beginning of time when the earth > was > > created, ot the 20? billions years ago "beginning of time" since > the > > big bang? > > I have read that 80 to 90 percent of Israel's population is > Ashkenazi, who are thought to be caucasoid descendants of the > eastern-European Khazars, who never lived in the Near- or Middle- > East, and who converted to Judaism as late as the 7th or 8th century > CE. Only the remaining 10 to 20 percent are Sephardic, who actually > *did* originate in or near the region now known as Israel, and who > (I have read) are currently treated as distinctly second-class > citizens in Israel.
You don't have to go to Israel to see discrimination against Sephardic Jews. Go to Quebec, where I grew up. Until the mid-1960s, the 100,000 or so Jewish population of Montreal was approximately 99% Ashkenazi and English-mother-tongue. When the Jewish populations of middle-Eastern countries -- such as Iraq, Lebanon, Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia, etc. -- were getting kicked out of their countries, many of those that chose to emigrate to North America gravitated towards Quebec because they were French-speaking (many of the aforementioned Middle-Eastern countries were French speaking in addition to Arabic). Well, growing up in a Jewish neighbourhood during that time and working in Jewish environments and communities during a time in the 70s, 80s, and 90s in which the Jewich population went from about 1% Sephardic to about 33% and the Ashkenazi community drop to about 66%, I saw a discrimination unparalled directed towards the Sepharic Jews...and it wasn't from gentiles...it was from the Ashkenazi Jews! And it was, at times, really vile: the stereotypes were on a par with the worst Anti-Semitism you could imagine. To Ashkenazis, it seemed that these people weren't Jews but "Arabs". Indeed, a friend of mine who is Ashkenazi married a Sephardic Jew and when he got angry with his wife he would call her "a goddamn Arab". They eventually divorced because he didn't like the way his wife was bringing up their new-born son: to him the upbringing his wife was giving him was akin to a human-child being brought up by wolfes in the forest. I asked another Ashkenazi friend of mine why he reviled the Sephardim so much and he responded that he found them dishonest, money-hungry and sneaky. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> <font face=arial size=-1><a href="http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hjnt7te/M=364397.6958316.7892810.4764722/D=groups/S=1705171145:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1123658761/A=2915264/R=0/SIG=11t7isiiv/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=34443/*http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs";>Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page</a></font> --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
