--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In > > [email protected], "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Judy writes: > > > And on the other hand, he's telling them that > > > they cannot trust their experience that they are > > > not enlightened and ought instead to accept the > > > authorities' assertion that they are already > > > enlightened. > > > > > > Tom T writes: > > > The idea you are not enlightened is not an experience it is an > idea. > > > > <snore> > > > > > The experience of awakening is very real, very visceral. It is > > > profoundly based in the physiology. > > > > So is the experience of ignorance. > > > > > The idea of not being enlightened > > > is a story. Tell me where and how that idea "I am not awake" > > > is known in the gut of the physiology. Tom > > > > That's exactly where it *is* known, of course. > > I repeat last week's statement: "Stress is an excuse."
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