On Aug 11, 2005, at 10:40 AM, jim_flanegin wrote: > --- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> On Aug 11, 2005, at 9:51 AM, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis wrote: >> >>> The idea you are not enlightened is not an experience it is an > idea. >>> The experience of awakening is very real, very visceral. It is >>> profoundly based in the physiology. The idea of not being > enlightened >>> is a story. Tell me where and how that idea "I am not awake" is > known >>> in the gut of the physiology. Tom >> >> The idea that there is an idea that you are not enlightened and it > is >> not an experience but an idea is also an idea. It's also a story. > > Same question, then: where and how is the experience of not being > enlightened felt in the physiology?
It's felt by a feeler. Therefore it's dualistic. What is felt? Perhaps a sense of dis-ease, perhaps tension, maybe anxiety or neurosis. There are many different experiencers capable of experiencing. There are therefore as many answers are there are styles of dis-ease and separation. Not everyone experiences the enlightened state as sensation-riding-on-emptiness so it is a rather limited "idea". The idea that physiology is important is IMO merely a style of conditioning common in TM circles. You were taught that this was important. And of course it sounds cool to say. The question I naturally would want to ask is 'why are you accepting that conditioning (that physiology is relevant re: "enlightenment") as important? How are you defining "physiology" as an idea? The physiology and enlightenment story is a popular TMO drama. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
