--- In [email protected], "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Tom T writes:> The experience of awakening is very real, very > visceral. It is profoundly based in the physiology. > > Judy writes: > So is the experience of ignorance. > > Tom T: Again, ignorance is not an experience it is an idea with a > story. Tell me in detail how you experience this ignorance. Where and > it what degree and how it effects your physiology. > > Tom T Writes: The idea of not being enlightened > > is a story. Tell me where and how that idea "I am not awake" is > known in the gut of the physiology. Tom > > Judy writes: > That's exactly where it *is* known, of course. > > Tom T; > Be specific please. What do you know and how does it appear in the > physiology. This is not a trap but genuine inquiry. I really want to > know how it appears for you and what sensations in the physiology > you can comment on. Thanks Tom
I'd characterize it generally as a feeling of resistance. It can manifest in many different ways, from "butterflies in the stomach" to feeling drowsy to feeling hungry to feeling a lack of physical energy, among other things, and overall a feeling of resistance to just "being with" those discomforts, the sense that they constitute interference that has to be removed. Another example would be severe physical pain and an accompanying sense of panic if there isn't some way to quickly mitigate it. Another way to put it is that what MMY calls the mind's tendency to go for "more and more" is still in operation: one continues compulsively to seek to increase pleasure and minimize pain, psychic or physical (and the two are reciprocal). The physiology is not supporting the experience of "All," which would terminate the compulsion (as opposed to just the inclination) to seek "more and more." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
