--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > I know this conversation is with Tom, > > > > and I honestly don't want to get in the > > > > way of it, but just as a question, which > > > > do you think comes first -- the physical > > > > feelings of discomfort, or the resistance > > > > to Self? > > > > > > > > In other words, do you think that some- > > > > thing happens on a physiological level > > > > and as a result the inclination to seek > > > > more and more lessens? Or could it be > > > > that one resists the inclination to seek > > > > more and more, resists the Self, and the > > > > physiological sensations are the result? > > > > > > At what level would you make a distinction? > > > > Well, that's two people so far who have > > been afraid to offer an opinion. :-) > > Did you miss the joke?
Did you miss that the joke was a way of avoiding the question? :-) IMO, it's really the key issue in many ways. Does a person's world view state that the thing that "keeps them from realizing enlightenment" has a physical basis, and some kind of physical reality, or are the physical symptoms described just that, the inevitable karmic result of resisting enlightenment? Stated differently, which comes first -- does the physical discomfort prevent realization of enlightenment, or does *resisting* the realization of enlight- enment cause the physical discomfort? The former world view is a way of clinging to excuses. "It's not me that is preventing my realization of enlightenment...it's all of these physical feelings of discomfort (often labeled "stress"). If they weren't present, I'd realize enlightenment." The latter is more like dropping the act and saying to oneself, "There IS no obstacle to realization of enlightenment, physical or otherwise. Every spiritual teacher worth their salt in history has told me that I am already enlightened, so why not believe it, and drop this crutch of an excuse?" In my experience, dropping the excuses can open the doorway to the realization of enlightenment. IMO, of course. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
