--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > I know this conversation is with Tom, > > > > > and I honestly don't want to get in the > > > > > way of it, but just as a question, which > > > > > do you think comes first -- the physical > > > > > feelings of discomfort, or the resistance > > > > > to Self? > > > > > > > > > > In other words, do you think that some- > > > > > thing happens on a physiological level > > > > > and as a result the inclination to seek > > > > > more and more lessens? Or could it be > > > > > that one resists the inclination to seek > > > > > more and more, resists the Self, and the > > > > > physiological sensations are the result? > > > > > > > > At what level would you make a distinction? > > > > > > Well, that's two people so far who have > > > been afraid to offer an opinion. :-) > > > > Did you miss the joke? > > Did you miss that the joke was a way of > avoiding the question? :-) > > IMO, it's really the key issue in many > ways. Does a person's world view state that > the thing that "keeps them from realizing > enlightenment" has a physical basis, and > some kind of physical reality, or are the > physical symptoms described just that, the > inevitable karmic result of resisting > enlightenment? Stated differently, which > comes first -- does the physical discomfort > prevent realization of enlightenment, or > does *resisting* the realization of enlight- > enment cause the physical discomfort? > > The former world view is a way of clinging > to excuses. "It's not me that is preventing > my realization of enlightenment...it's all > of these physical feelings of discomfort > (often labeled "stress"). If they weren't > present, I'd realize enlightenment." > > The latter is more like dropping the act > and saying to oneself, "There IS no obstacle > to realization of enlightenment, physical or > otherwise. Every spiritual teacher worth their > salt in history has told me that I am already > enlightened, so why not believe it, and drop > this crutch of an excuse?" In my experience, > dropping the excuses can open the doorway to > the realization of enlightenment. > > IMO, of course.
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