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> Tom T writes:> The experience of awakening is very
> real, very
> visceral. It is profoundly based in the physiology.
> 
> Judy writes:
> So is the experience of ignorance.
> 
> Tom T: Again, ignorance is not an experience it is
> an idea with a
> story. Tell me in detail how you experience this
> ignorance. Where and
> it what degree and how it effects your physiology.
> 
> Tom T Writes: The idea of not being enlightened
> > is a story. Tell me where and how that idea "I am
> not awake" is
> known in the gut of the physiology. Tom
> 
> Judy writes:
>  That's exactly where it *is* known, of course.
> 
> Tom T;
> Be specific please. What do you know and how does it
> appear in the
> physiology. This is not a trap but genuine inquiry.
> I really want to
> know how it appears for you and what sensations in
> the physiology you
> can comment on. Thanks Tom

Go Tommy go! This is like inquiring after that
self-evident "I".....you can't find it! It's just a
very, very subtle thought. 



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