--- In [email protected], tartbrain wrote:
>
> One, a person, generally only knows consciousness 
> when it is shining on something tangible. 

I can understand this ^ statement coming from an 
Ordinary Joe, but it seems to me that the point of 
most meditation practices is get the meditator to 
know consciousness itself without having to shine 
that consciousness on a thought or perception.

I'm asking the question of this group because I 
would expect everyone here to say "Duh! Of course 
consciousness can know itself." If that's not the response,
I've got some reconsidering to do.

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